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BRZ and FR-S Owners Complain About Rough Idle and Stalling Engines, Some Don't Like Remedy

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The sports coupe jointly developed by Toyota and Subaru that entered production as the Subaru BRZ, Scion FR-S and Toyota GT86 was one of the most awaited cars of the year, since it rekindled the fun to drive and relatively modestly priced niche.

Despite being a long time in the making, being teased by a series of concepts, the final product received positive reviews. The three models are nearly identical, featuring a 2.0-liter flat-four engine with both direct and indirect injection driving the rear-wheels via a six-speed manual or auto gearbox and a Torsen limited-slip differential.

The problem is that Subaru and Scion customers who rushed in to buy the first batch of cars are now complaining about rough idle and stalling issues.

Toyota and Subaru announced that there’s no actual mechanical defect in the engine and the issue is caused by a software mapping glitch.

Toyota spokesperson Brian Lyons said that the engine control unit (ECU) is programmed to adapt to the car's powertrain and owner's driving patterns. Within 100 miles (160 km), those settings are “frozen” in the ECU.

Software coding errors in the ECU-engine communication are the culprits for this error. Under certain driving conditions (that were not specified) the electronic control unit software “thinks” that the engine is operating outside its “frozen” parameters and causes stalling or a rough idle as it tries, and apparently fails, to sort things out.

It then flashes the “check engine” light and when plugged into a diagnostic reader, shows a “P0019” error code.

The interesting thing is that, while both Toyota and Subaru agree on the nature of the problems, they offer different solutions.

Subaru will simply re-flash the ECU on all BRZs that have this issue. Toyota, on the other hand, will re-flash the ECU on the GT86 and Scion FR-S only if the car has less than 100 miles; otherwise, it will replace the whole unit.

"This is not a mileage-dependent condition. No replacement of the ECU is needed at any mileage to rectify the issue”, Subaru spokesman Dominick Infante told Automotive News. “The re-flash is the fix. There is not a defect concerning the ECU.”

Not all owners agree that the explanation of a software error is accurate, because even after they had their cars’ ECUs remapped or replaced, the problem keeps occurring claiming there is a mechanical issue.

Toyota and Subaru wouldn’t comment on how many cars are affected or how many complaints they have received until now.

A Scion FR-S owner wrote on the FT86club.com site: “Mine’s on the third week in the shop. Parts are on back order. VVTi cam gear and oil control valve are what they claimed to be replacing. Waiting on gaskets which are on back-order, apparently.”

The forum has over 100 registered complaints with many owners claim that their cars have had their camshaft bearing, cam gears, actuators and cam position sensors changed.

By Andrew Tsaousis

Story References: Automotive News

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10 Comments:

T-Cake said... »October 04, 2012

I mean, yeah, that sucks. But don't you run a risk with the first batch out of the oven?

RUI said... »October 04, 2012

Never ever ever ever ever buy one of the first cars of a redesigned model... let alone a brand new one.  Did it once... lesson learned.

Psiqtas said... »October 04, 2012

 That's not a redesign - these cars are all brand-new...

me said... »October 04, 2012

Totally agree with the comments ... I never, ever buy the first model year of anything.

JJ said... »October 04, 2012

Not really surprising considering the quality of these cars. 

Shame really...

wrong wrong said... »October 04, 2012

lmao its slow, overhyped, and unreliable..what a POS

wrong wrong said... »October 04, 2012

he just said that.....read read read!!!!

Testing said... »October 05, 2012

Have you ever driven one? Didn't think so.

Toyota GT 86 said... »October 09, 2012

UK drivers are also suffering issues - http://www.gt86ownersclub.co.uk/forum/check-engine-light-rough-idle_topic1164.html 

Metalking8000 said... »October 13, 2012

(cough) IPhone 5 (cough)

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