Trump Set To Revoke California’s Ability To Determine Its Own Emissions Standards

President Donald Trump intends on revoking the rule that allows California to set tougher car emissions standards than those required by the federal government, the Los Angeles Times reports.

For decades, the state of California has relied on a special waiver that allows it to set its own emissions standards in a bid to establish itself as a state environmental leader in the U.S. If President Trump’s move is put into effect, it will impact not only California, but 13 other states and the District of Columbia that follows its emissions regulations as well.

“It’s a move that could have devastating consequences for our kids’ health and the air we breathe if California were to roll over,” California Governor Gavin Newsom said. “But we will not — we will fight this latest attempt and defend our clean car standards.”

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Democratic member of the Congress have vowed to try to block the administration’s move, with one member of the House committee that oversees the EPA planning to seek legislation to keep the state’s authority intact.

California state officials enacted its own car emissions controls back in the 1960s, when Los Angeles was enveloped in a thick layer of smog. The federal government later decided the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) would set vehicle pollution standards for the nation and carved out an exception for California, allowing it to set its own rules as long as they were at least as strict as those imposed by the federal government. Other states in the U.S. can choose to follow California’s regulations or the federal ones set by the EPA.

Just a few months ago, California struck a deal with Ford, Honda, Volkswagen, and BMW that will see the carmakers abide by California’s rules and increase fuel efficiency and reduce emissions despite Trump trying to have pollution standards rolled back.

  • Bo Hanan

    With all that’s going on in the world what would motivate Trump to do this. It’s like walking down the street and randomly deciding to key a car. Its as if he has nothing better to do to help the world…
    Trump- “destroying America one tweet at a time.”

    • donald seymour

      No, he is a classic overt narcissist, which means that he is very immature and stuck in a child like state. And this means that he is actually genuinely retarded. At any rate, he chose this action because Cali bucked against his will. So, he feels threatened and when he feels threatened, albeit not a real threat, he has to throw a retarded temper tantrum. Annnnnd… this is what we have here.

      • Bash
        • Porkopolis

          Do people unironically still think this guy is intelligent? He’s an entertainer. Give him a physics script to read, and he’s right up there with Bill Nye.

          • Ben

            I don’t know much about Neil, but his paper work seems to checkout. Do you have evidence that he is a fraud?

          • Bash

            What’s with the pork nick name. That is not intelligent as well. Geez

      • AintYerPa

        Shouldn’t you say he has a “Mental Disability” instead of using derogatory slurs? Man, I can’t stand you fuqing leftist hypocrites.

        • donald seymour

          I’m not a republican or democrat. I believe in making sounds judgment on a person’s track record and not what party they belong to. Besides, I’m a Christian and I don’t believe in taking sides of any party
          I believe in taking over. The party thing is all a ruse to divide us

          Howeverr, when I use the word “retarded,” I’m not using it for derogatory reasons, but I’m using it for purely scientific and psychological use. Retarded wasn’t initially a derogatory word. It just came to be. But if it makes you feel any better than YES he, Donald Trump, is mentally disabled. And I say this with all sincerity.

          • AintYerPa

            Uh huh. Suuuuure… Well my prediction about your reply was HALF right… I didn’t guess about the Christian angle, though. Pretty good. Except that something like 85% of Evangelicals support Trump…

            So anyway, I guess that means you’ll be voting for anyone OTHER than Trump in 2020. Which means that you are OK with Religious Suppression. And if you tell me that you aren’t going to vote for some reason or another, then you should really consider moving somewhere else.. Venezuela perhaps?

            And to show how silly your last paragraph sounds – try inserting the “n…” word. These people, unlike Trump, are born this way. They have no control over it, and in many ways are more able than you or I. And it DOESN’T make me feel better. I’m not saying these things to FEEL BETTER…

          • donald seymour

            At any rate, you have a very black and white view of society. You know everyone isn’t the same? I would hope that you understand that people have depth to themselves, and that the human dynamics varies by each individual. You appear to have a very shallow and cartoony perception of Christians. Not everyone who calls themselves a Christian really is a Christian.

            Furthermore, you are entirely too old to have such a narrow view of society. Not everyone is the same. There are different sets and idealism in every belief system whether it be atheist, Christian, Jew, or Muslim. Like for real, you should know this. So, don’t group me in some cliche media category for Christianity.

          • AintYerPa

            “Not everyone who calls themselves a Christian really is a Christian.”

            Let’s just let that sink in for a moment…

        • MayTheBestCarWin05

          Oh no. Someone said retarded 😱😱😱. Gather the women and children before they are sullied!!

          🙄🙄🙄🙄#snowflake

          • AintYerPa

            OK. go ahead and walk up to the biggest Black guy you can find and call him the “n..” word right to his face. Then after you scrape yourself up off the ground with a spatula, call him a snowflake.

            Moron

          • MayTheBestCarWin05

            well….speaking personally as a large black man (36 yrs old, 6′ 5″, 252lbs, from Chicago)…I’ve been maliciously called the N word more times than i care to admit…and I’ve NEVER responded with violence (not saying other black folks haven’t or wouldn’t).

            Reason i dont is that when someone calls me that, its their Coup de grâce, their trump card, their big joker, etc. and when i dont respond in a manner they would expect (violence), it shows them that I’m not the savage…they are.

          • AintYerPa

            Well, if I can believe you, good for you. But sometimes the high road doesn’t cut it. Sometimes, turning the other cheek gets 2 cheeks slapped… Sometimes people need to be taught a lesson they’ll never forget.

            And somewhat, but not entirely beside the point: I’m willing to bet that 9 times out of 10, maybe more, the ones who have used that type of language toward you were leftist slime-balls… Those that SAY they are the SOOOO tolerant, all the while behaving completely INTOLERANTLY…

          • MayTheBestCarWin05

            ha. Yes, I’m definitely an American black dude…born in Jacksonville, FL, grew up in Chicago, and living in Seattle for the past 11 years.

            While I dont know the politics of the people who used that term towards me…what i can tell you is racism doesn’t know a political party/ideology.

            I’ve seen it used on the extreme left and extreme right, and even from some centrists as well.

          • AintYerPa

            Well – I can tell you honestly, that (as a Conservative) I have a hard time remembering any other Conservative I’ve ever been around or associated with displaying that kind of Horsesh!t attitude or rhetoric. Like you say of course, ignorance exists independent of party lines, but based on everything I’ve ever seen/heard – It happens with much higher frequency on the Left.

            BTW – I’m curious to know what entities you would classify as extreme Left and extreme Right.

          • MayTheBestCarWin05

            I’d be happy to talk about my delineation btwn extreme Left and Right. But as someone who calls himself a conservative….I’m really curious to hear how you define Conservatism.

          • AintYerPa

            Well – I could say I asked you first, but what the heck;). For the most part, my brand of Conservatism is Constitutional… I believe in this country and how it was meant to be run. ANd what is is meant to be to the world. A Beacon of Liberty and Hope… I could go on, but I’m sure you’ve heard of Constitutional Conservatism before…

          • MayTheBestCarWin05

            haha. Thanks for playing along, and sharing your view of Conservative.

            To answer your direct question, I see the extreme right as people like Alex Jones and the extreme left as people who believe in participation trophies. (this is a gross over simplification, but i think you get the gist).

            My personal view points and life conduct could be described as both liberal and conservative.

          • AintYerPa

            I get you. And I don’t blame you on the oversimplification angle (I mean, how much of this kinda thing can you really get into on a Car Site!). But I’m glad you didn’t say [email protected] on the Extreme Right – Cuz, As I hope you know (and don’t take my word for it – research it – I’m all for knowledge and folks thinking for themselves (That is hat Makes this country great)), they are extreme Left. Authoritarian Left. Which is what the AOCs and Beta O’Rourkes are all about here.

            Real quick though – While I don’t much like Alex Jones, I do like a couple of folks who work for InfoWars like Kaitlin Bennett and Paul Joseph Watson…

            And I would also say that I hold some views that might be considered traditionally Liberal (except those views are now probably considered Far Right with how Socialism has been gaining more popularity recently…). But I HAVE to finish up by saying TRUMP IS THE MAN!

          • MayTheBestCarWin05

            Yea. We are having this convo on CAR SITE 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️ But I believe in the idea of “meet people where they are”.

            And while I don’t roll with Beto (he ain’t taking MY guns) or AOC…I do not share your sentiment regarding our president.

            Nor am I going to launch into some partisan harangue about why you shouldn’t.

            Great conversation!

          • AintYerPa

            Oh MAN! Oh well, You can’t win ’em all… Well anyway – Good talk – And at least if you don’t like him, I’ll just tell myself that you know there is no better choice in 2020 😉

            Peace.

      • AggregateofDeplorables🇺🇸

        California attempted to enter into a foreign emissions treaty. When that failed they created a confederacy of states trying to subordinate the federal authority their own voters created.

        At this point, POTUS looks like Honest Abe.

        • donald seymour

          Thanks for the info. Definitely will do my due diligence on this matter.

  • Craig

    “It’s a move that could have devastating consequences for our kids’ health and the air we breathe if California were to roll over,” California Governor Gavin Newsom said. What absolute nonsense. IF ANYTHING this will lead to auto manufacturers building even CLEANER cars. “We’ll show that Trump a thing or two!”

    • TheBelltower

      California has it’s own topography, weather and air patterns that are unique compared to most the rest of the country. The air quality was dangerously low in the 70s and 80s until they passed their own regulations. Corrupt Trump thought the automakers would side with him, but he was proven a chump and now he has egg on his face. Again. All of this is his ego.

    • Julien Lachemoi

      I am not very familiar with the subject and not at all a specialist in environment but are you implying that by removing the toughest emissions standards in place in California it will help manufacturers make cleaner cars ?

      How ? Why ?

      I don’t even…

      • Craig

        No. The DEMAND for cleaner cars will. Because ‘clean’ SELLS. It’s all about the money.

        • Julien Lachemoi

          I’m not convinced it will play out like that.

    • Stigasawuswrecks

      So companies will make cleaner cars because we got rid of a state’s regulatory practice that forced them to be cleaner?

      • Craig

        YES! Aren’t you keeping up with the news? “Four car manufacturers — Volkswagen, BMW, Ford, and Honda — in July reached a surprise deal with California air regulators to set higher emissions targets for themselves.”

        • Stigasawuswrecks

          You do know Trump is doing this not because he feels companies will have cleaner cars but because he’s bitter and petty and wants to attack California since they don’t like him, right? It has nothing to do with people and everything to do with his ego.

          • Craig

            Perhaps. But you’re not going to argue that California cares about people are you? Have you seen San Francisco lately?

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            What about it? If it’s the homeless, that’s an entirely different scenario, especially when a lot of those people are from other states and treck to California due to its all year round temperate climate. It could be worse. It could be Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, or Kentucky.

          • Craig

            There are always plenty of ‘reasons’ not to give a sh*t.

  • Stephen G

    So now the Republicans are for taking power away from the states and pro-pollution!?

    • MayTheBestCarWin05

      Our government is a sham.

    • SteersUright

      pretty much. truth is they’re pro-profit in spite of all. Pollution, environmental damage, destabilizing the country & world, all comes second to enriching themselves.

  • FordMopar

    Why not just tell Trump that car companies are fine with his revoke but just quietly make cars as clean as possible, satisfying California?

    • Stigasawuswrecks

      You seriously think Trump will listen to somebody, especially when they’re telling him they know better?

  • Porkopolis

    It’s simple. States may govern themselves, but not to the extent that it impacts other States. This is why CA and WY both have two Senators with equal power and also why we have the Electoral College. Cue arguments as to why the system sucks or doesn’t suck, but that’s the system.

    • MayTheBestCarWin05

      We just gotta get more coastal people to move to the interior of the country.

      • Porkopolis

        Coastal folks may kindly all move to Canadia and Scandinavia like they promised 11/9/16.

        • MayTheBestCarWin05

          1. i thought i was the only person who said Canadia…well played.

          contrary to the narrative our BS media outlets peddle (looking at you CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Trevor Noah, Stephan Crowder, Young Turks)…few actual “coasties” want to leave america.

  • AggregateofDeplorables🇺🇸

    California should have the right to determine their own air quality standards, but when they use that power to undermine federal authority (to the detriment of the rest of the union) and they attempt to enter unilaterally into foreign treaties (Paris Accord), they are asking to be put in timeout.

    It is probably time to repeal the special privileges Nixon gave to his home state.

    • SteersUright

      pure nonsense.

    • William rowe

      well I say talk is cheap but proof is golden so show us all some links to prove your statements

  • SteersUright

    Trump does some things out of intellect (rarely) like addressing China’s global aggression. Then he does some things purely out of a hurt ego like this Cali emissions thing. Leave them the fk alone if they want cleaner air, water, and environments.

    • AggregateofDeplorables🇺🇸

      California is not interested in controlling their own air. They have formed a confederacy to undermine the efficacy of the federal government. Furthermore, they are serving a corporate interest by trying to force their residents to pay for powertrain R&D that has little or no economic return.

      • SteersUright

        I’ve traveled likely much more than you have, and no other state, much less location in the world outside of parts of Europe do more for food quality, curbing pollution, health care and human rights than California. California isn’t undermining any the efficacy of the federal gov’t, they are challenging them to improve by setting an example for the rest of the USA. Californian’s enjoy some of the best social programs in the entire country and continues by a huge margin as the economic engine of the United States, hows that for your “economic return”?

        • AggregateofDeplorables🇺🇸

          I’ve lived in California, and no amount of propaganda can disguise the state’s neo-feudal economic model. In this case, the state is interested in forcing its residents to pay the corporate R&D budgets of the multinational car manufacturers, while undermining federal trade negotiations to ensure that the state serves as the primary port of entry for Chinese goods.

          At an even more fundamental level, CA is attempting to provide sanctuary to millions of illegals while using income tax as the primary funding mechanism.

          CA is the antithesis of civic prudence.

          • SteersUright

            You’d likely be happy in Arkansas, Alabama or Texas. I’ll take California, thanks. There’s a reason everyone wants to visit Seattle, NY, and California and its because they’re doing something right. Their states remain cleaner, economies stronger, and their regulations stricter with some of the strongest human rights laws in the entire USA. People will go where they find better lives. And despite all of the bitter nonsense you spew, California remains no less popular despite their high prices.

      • Emoto

        California can eat a big bag of d*cks.

  • Mr. EP9

    Don’t mind me. I’m just going to sit here and watch the fur fly.

  • Mi Lito

    Why should 1 state have the power to control the entire country’s car market? Companies who want to sell to the US have to comply with California standards, which drive cost up. Just because a car can be sold, doesn’t mean that people are forced to buy it. Just let the market work, and stop meddling!

    • Enter Ranting

      If it’s so taxing to car companies, why have Ford, Honda, Volkswagen, and BMW sided with California over the shaved orangutan in the Oval Office?

      • AggregateofDeplorables🇺🇸

        Because they already swallowed the blue pill and spent billions on powertrain development and now they need to force consumers to pay for it at the behest of shareholders.

        Other companies already have the powertrain tech (eg Toyota) or they have done little or nothing to prepare (eg FCA). They don’t have to risk their reputations by taking a political stance.

        • Enter Ranting

          No, they’re selling what people want to buy. Not everyone is against you, deplorable. Not everything is a conspiracy.

      • Mi Lito

        Because businesses want to be seen as the good guys. They will say what ever they need to say to have an advantage over other companies, because they are a business that need people to buy their products. It is NOT because they want to be benevolent.

    • Holmer_k

      The question is why should California and the 13 others states NOT be allowed to set higher standards when the topography their demands them just to have comparable air quality as others states enjoy? I was in California in the 80’s and I could SEE the smog. The moon and stars were literally brown at night. Onshore breezes and mountains behind the major cities leaves nowhere for the air polution to go. It is exactly that sprcial circumstance that was taken into account when California was granted the right to set higher standards. And the only real reason trump wants to take it away is to punish the state for not voting for him. You do not get cars with California emissions requirements in the 36 states that don’t subscribe to CA emissions standards. So your car is NOT more expensive because of CA standards today. Anyone who says it is is lying or just too stupid to do his/her research. It seems by your comment that you fall into the latter category. I’d be embarrassed if I were you.

      • AggregateofDeplorables🇺🇸

        Only California has the right to set stricter standards. You’ll have to ask them why they reserved that right solely for themselves. Regardless, that isnt the pertinent issue. The issue is that California cannot sue the federal government as a means of forcing fuel standards on the entire nation.

        No one cares if CA sets their own standards. If they use that privilege however to build a neoconfederacy and sue the government as a means a forcing through federal regulations it wants, the feds will act accordingly.

        • Holmer_k

          I don’t have to ask them, I know why they requested the right for stricter standards. Anyone who visited CA in the 80’s would know the answer. And I explained it in my original post. The air was brown. Pollution does not blow away. It builds up in inversion layers over the cities because of the topography and prevailing winds. The 13 other states joined them for their own reasons, not at CA’s request. And it is not making deals with automakers because of it’s “wants” but because of it’s needs. There are teice as many cars on the road there than in the 80’s.

          Furthermore, trump is rolling back regulations and lying about the reasons why. He is doing it for personal gain. He has money invested in things like pipelines. He has businesses that must perform expensive environmental studies to build. He is using the office for his own enrichment, not to make our lives better or safer.

          As a coastal Florida resident, air pollution is not something I have to worry about personally. The sea breeze blows all the emissions for our cars inland and away from my town, my home. But the rest of the country does not have that luxury. Those of us who remember smog and acid rain, filthy water, and envirnmental disasters from corporations ee are still to this day spending hundreds of millions to clean up know those of you who think this is ok need a history lesson or mental health help.

          • AggregateofDeplorables🇺🇸

            Not sure what dream world you’re living in. This is about the augural portion of CAFE 2025, which has never been enacted law and always required congressional review.

            Rolling back the infeasible portion of CAFE 2025, which California is also planning to do by delaying implementation, is not going to turn the skies brown.

            You are having an inane conversation with yourself. The relevant issues seem to be lost on the people offering an opinion. Sad. Where is the free press to educate America?

    • Ron

      This is why. You can actually see the Los Angeles skyline now thanks to the emissions standards they have put in place. Did you see LA in the 80’s? No one did because it was in a cloud of smog. If anything, California is the golden example of why we need higher emission standards. Making America polluted again is not making it better. Even China has figured that out and they are moving forward, not backwards. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/40fe8de04708ce264c8dc5b120f65452e6b9657e159316dedb9f0d7efc25f607.jpg

      • Mi Lito

        Thats because topographically, LA is down in a valley. Just because the prevailing winds blow right over the city, they have the right to change the laws for the entire country? I don’t think so.

    • slither16

      There used to be a time where they had engine options specially for California and others for the rest of the country.

  • TheAmerican2point0

    Good

  • AggregateofDeplorables🇺🇸

    The car companies are willing to force consumers to pay for their R&D by mandating advanced power trains, which also protect them from startup manufacturers. This is not the responsibility of US consumers. Furthermore, neither the NHTSA nor the EPA have the right to govern specific CO2 emissions on a model by model basis depending on vehicle footprint. CAFE is a fleet based regulatory model that the Obama admin conveniently ignored after the Bush admin was able to delay footprint-based regulations.

    The aggressive overreach of federal authorities started at the end of the Obama admin when CAFE 2016 gave way to CAFE 2025. That’s why the issue has fallen to Trump.

    Furthermore, the augural portion of the law was never ratified. It required Congressional review first. Trump admin chose not to implement bc frankly the augural standards are awful.

  • AggregateofDeplorables🇺🇸

    Even if Lincoln had done those things it wouldn’t impact his political legacy regarding the federalism argument.

  • Six Thousand Times

    I’m sure the States’ Rights crowd will applaud heartily.

  • Craig

    Electric vehicles are selling VERY well considering how much more they cost than ICE equipped cars. As for not being profitable – it’s going to take time. That’s just how it is with something new. The first VCR I bought in the 1970’s cost me over $1,200. The last one I bought cost me $29.

    • John Smith

      Aah, no. In fact the only electric vehicles that sell well are Tesla’s. Not the I3, I-Pace, Bolt, and including the Nissan Leaf which is in fact the cheapest EV and it’s starting price is well below the average new car purchase price of $34k in 2019. So price isn’t the issue. People don’t buy green. Tesla’s sell as a status symbol mostly, but they are also the most advance in key areas. The facts are the facts.

      • Craig

        You say… ‘people don’t buy green.’ I wonder… would you FORCE them to?

  • William rowe

    You know I hope democrats remember how trump abused all his power as POTUS, so when they get back into the white house, first exc order take all the guns away if your a republican voter lol. the more trump abuses the powers of the POTUS office the more he is opening doors for democrats. There is going be hell for years to come

    • AggregateofDeplorables🇺🇸

      The augural standards, which is what this fight is all about, we’re never settled law. Congress had to review for feasibility and necessity in 2017 to determine if the standards were necessary and prudent. The admin has chosen to delay the standards for various reasons.

      This isn’t a state’s rights issue. California isn’t fighting for the right to keep the augural standards. They are fighting to force the US to keep the augural standards.

    • slither16

      The door is always open, as long as congress and courts don’t stand in the way.

  • Ron

    WHY? There is absolutely no reason to do this other than he wants to give California and every single person who gives a damn about the environment the middle finger – all because they didn’t vote for him. It’s all about his fragile ego and nothing more.

    • Porkopolis

      Lighten up, Francis.

  • slither16

    Trump feels that they have been ungrateful to him.

  • Craig

    How is that relevant? Do you – or do you NOT – believe that there must be LAWS in place to make sure people buy the ‘right kind of cars’.

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