Alfa Romeo Giulia And Stelvio Engines Getting Too Hot To Handle

With over 500 horsepower on tap from a twin-turbocharged engine displacing less than three liters, there’s little question that the Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio runs hot. But apparently some of them may be running too hot, as FCA’s had to issue a recall.

According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, a leaking coolant hose could leave that highly stressed engine overheating, causing it to stall.

The problem apparently comes down to insufficient webbing on a coolant hose. Fortunately the issue is estimated to affect only 674 vehicles in the United States, but they’ll need to be brought in to their local dealers to have a new hose installed.

2019 Alfa Romeo Stelvio Quadrifoglio

At the same time, a larger number of Stelvio crossovers and Giulia sedans equipped with the smaller 2.0-liter engine are being recalled for another heat-related issue. This time it comes down to the engine misfiring, causing the catalytic converter to overheat and potentially start a fire. This problem affects a much larger array of vehicles, which is estimated at 37,228 examples in the US alone.

The Stelvio and Giulia are the models that put Alfa Romeo back on the map. They’re both based on the new Giorgio platform and are sold in North America with either a 2.0-liter turbo four generating 276 horsepower (280 PS) and 300 lb-ft (400 Nm) of torque, or (in high-performance Quadrifoglio spec) a 2.9-liter twin-turbo V6 kicking out a more generous 503 hp (510 PS) and 440 lb-ft (600 Nm) of torque.

That was enough to claim the fastest time at the Nürburgring for a crossover SUV, which the Stelvio Quadrifoglio clocked last year at 7:51.7 – right up there with lighter and more focused (albeit older) sports and super cars from the previous decade.

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  • Dr Keijo Cat

    Turbo = high heat & pressure = never ideal for an engine.

    And turbos, in part, matched with small engines, seem to be the automotive future.

    The takeaway: get used to engine failures.

    • SteersUright

      When you consider the heat facing many engines in jets, rockets, etc for the past several decades, we clearly have materials to deal with heat of a far lesser magnitude generated by modern turbo engines. The real issue is cost-management and good engineering.

    • S3XY

      “Small engines seem to be the automotive future.”

      LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

      • Codrut Ivanescu

        No, Tesla will take over the world and we will only have Tesla manufacture cars and that is the future. Better?

  • Mr. EP9

    Only 674 vehicles affected huh? Well, I guess it’s not that bad but yeah, overheating is a problem all the same.

    • Bob

      At least it was caught before it became an issue.

  • charlotteharry57

    A reliable Alfa or Fiat? NEVER gonna happen.

    • Matt

      On the top of my head I can’t think of any other brand that’s had to do a recall. Certainly not Toyota anyway!!

    • SoloCup

      Recalls are as common as rainy days for ALL makes these days. They just did one for the Prius, and Ford has one every week, it seems.

    • Wandering_Spirit

      I used to be a translator in IT, Automotive industries. I respect opinions and people. But just to help you frame this better, translators localize also marketing material and technical bulletins as well as workshop procedures and warranty documents to solve those. You have no idea of how many “reliable” models have recurrent issues, also on brands most people consider the top of the top in terms of reliability. The sole truth that there is out there about reliable cars is that Japanese do it better, in general. And this shouldn’t be taken as a golden rule or a declaration of major superiority.

      That said, Fiats, Alfas, have improved considerably in the last decade. You may want to try one and maybe compare it with something else. Say VW or Audi, then get an idea of what you like. Very different personalities, apart from quality. I owned several Alfas in the last decade or so. None of them gave me an issue beyond oil and filter changes, driving very fast (not at US speeds, but normally at much higher speeds, in Italy where they get more flexible) and for over 100k kms. No issues at all, with just one model having an exhaust support getting loose and causing the lower section of the exhaust to make a bothering noise and one of the suspension links (the so called quadrilatero alto in Italian), causing issues on another model. All of them driven with no much respect (they are not supposed to be kept in a garage and pampered but driven….if you know how to).

  • atomicbri

    Why does everyone complain when there is a recall? I would rather a manufacturer find an issue and fix it before my car burns up. Humans create these things and humans are prone to err. So I would rather a company be diligent and fix it then not fix it all. And all companies have recalls. Alfa has one and everyone is like “YEAH YEAH, JUNK, POS, POS ALFA!” Toyota has a few and its crickets…. get off it people.

    • Larry Qualls

      I’d still buy one tomorrow if i were in the market!

      • S3XY

        No you wouldn’t

        • Larry Qualls

          Yes I would! Recalls happen everyday and This is mainly about a hose. If you drive either, you’d understand

  • Bo Hanan

    Suddenly it’s 1990…

  • Well at least they do something before it’s too late, I do hope some media didn’t make a big fuzz out of it. There is an incredible double standard regarding Italian brands.

  • blunt-o

    Italian car manufacturers should be forbidden from using internal combustion engines in their cars. And have Tesla supply them with non-incendiary electric power plants as needed for their beautiful vehicles.
    When was the last time you saw a Porsche or a Renault go up in flames?

    • Bob

      Less than a month ago, a 991-gen Porsche GT3 went up in flames at the Nurburgring. When was the last time you saw an Alfa go up in flames?

      • Matt

        You didn’t detect the sarcasm.

        • Bob

          What sarcasm? I haven’t heard of Renaults going up in flames.

  • TheToadPrince..~~ToadSquad

    and yet The Chrysler 300 alone sold more then the entire fiat and alfa lineup…Alfa is failed product and still continue to waste money on that dud company.

    • …in one country it sold more. Chrysler is a dead brand while Alfa is growing

      • Classic Bob

        not exactly true, Chrysler did much better in northern Europe than Alfa -considering the demand for the consistent demand for Voyagers which FCA failed to capitalize on.

        Unfortunately Lancia’s the dead brand, and Chrysler’s barely holding on for life. Much thanks to the shotgun wedding Marchionne forced -effectively killed both brands in Europe with one bullet.

        • Chrysler didnt do well in Europe, and for that reason they aren’t sold here anymore, unlike Alfa. Even if Chrysler did sell a number of Voyagers in Northern Europe at one period in time, that can’t be compaired to Alfa as Alfa didnt sell a massive mpv to rival it. I didnt mention Lancia, but yes thats also a dead brand (sadly), that terrible idea to rebrand Chrysler product to Lancia’s saw and end to any chance they had at survival.

          • Classic Bob

            As a Lancia fan myself, i’m very disappointed to see Lancia die.

            However i disagree on your assessment on Chrysler. It was a poorly planned political decision with the hope Chrysler’s increasing sales would transfer to Lancia. It killed both.

            Hard facts point to Chrysler brands growing in most European markets from 2000-2010, while Fiat mismanaged Alfa and Lancia into a downward spiral to a point where all of Alfa sold less than the lowly Lancia Ypsilon. Alfa continued to decline every year until 2016 -when the Giulia and Stelvio were added, so your argument about “Alfa growing” is only valid for the past two years.

            I spend half my time in the Nordic region, and now looking out the window, in 5 minutes i’ve seen three last generation Voyagers (two parked), one Chrysler 300, one Dodge Nitro, two Dodge Journeys (one may have been a Freemont). Lots of Skodas and Volvos, and an array of Asian and German cars. I’d post a photo or two if Allpar allowed it.

            However not a single Alfa (though i do see Giuliettas on occasion, probably seen only one Giulia in two weeks), a couple of Ducatos but no Fiat cars (though i have a Panda in the garage), and one Lancia Thema (which now actually makes two Chrysler 300s).

            I understand market dynamics are different in southern Europe, but they should have kept growing Chrysler alive -at least in in north Europe, while addressing the issues which caused both Alfa and Lancia sales to slide.

          • So, you are basically saying Fiat should have kept Chrysler in Europe because the Voyager sold well in Nordic countries before Fiat took them over in 2000-2010? And Alfa/Lancia have Southern Europe because you see more of them there. I think it depends where you window is but I sadly understand why Chrysler/Lancia were phased out. They just don’t have the money to invest in thes brands yet. I hope one day that Lancia can be reborn in Europe, and Chrysler can come back properly in the US. The future for the brand isn’t looking too bright. The portal if released wont do well, its not a good looking car to base the design language on

          • Classic Bob

            If you look at the figures, Chrysler brand consistently sold in the neighborhood of 60,000 units/year in Europe until the financial crisis hit, some years as high as 75,000. Dodge brought the Caliber, Avenger and Nitro in 2006, which added 20-25,000 units per year. The Journey arrived end of 2008 just before Fiat killed Dodge and Chrysler in Europe -but you can see from Freemont sales figures there’s another 15-25,000 units/yr.

            That’s about 100,000 Chrysler/Dodge sales per year that were sacrificed for trying to sell American cars as Italian -mostly popular in northern Europe where Italian cars aren’t popular. Few want an American car with an Italian name, and no Italian car fan wants their marque disgraced by an American car.

            In comparison, Alfa Romeo sold 103,000 units in 2009, falling to 53,000 units by 2015. Lancia from 114,000 in 2009 to a low of 60,000 last year. And most of these sales in south Europe.

  • Timmy Miller

    That Stelvio is one heck of a nice car!! I look forward to getting one later this year!! Too bad Audi, BMW, and Mercedes don’t import diesel anymore!!

  • TrevP

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. FCA needs to get their shi* together!

  • Classic Bob

    People actually call their Freemonts and Voyagers “Chrysler” cars here -even with the Italian badge. European car buyers aren’t naive, they know they’re buying American cars regardless of the badge. Fiat and Lancia badges took more away than they gave in these cases.

    True, Alfa’s numbers were even higher -which makes the slide even more tragic. And Lancia actually sold 300k/yr in 1990. It’s a shame what Fiat did with Lancia, Alfa, and later Dodge and Chrysler which have suffered similar losses since Fiat took over. Unfortunately Fiat has destroyed more brands than it has revived.

    Just hope the Alfa investment pays off, though i still have serious doubts. Latest news is the promised Giorgio architecture won’t be shared as planned -except perhaps with Maserati. Every brand deserves incremental investments, unfortunately it seems too late for Lancia.

    • Agreed! They definitely ruined most of the brands in some way. Hope it can be undone. They just need to share the Giorgio platform with all their
      brands and make some actual money. They need to stop being so precious
      with Alfa. I know I would prefer a Lancia bodied Guilia, and I think you
      would prefer a Chrysler version? All these brands have their own
      identity and customers. If a customer doesnt want an Alfa, they have to
      buy from outside FCA. They need to give them more options within FCA.
      Its working really well at VW. the sell the same car under 3 or 4 brands
      and adjust the quality/price to match. Its not ideal from an intergrity point of view but we don’t live in that age anymore

      • Classic Bob

        True. I don’t like VAG much, but they do a great job at brand management.

        I would love to see a Fulvia coupe (see my pic), Delta Integrale, even the New Stratos approved for production. But who are we kidding, it won’t happen.

        Chrysler’s 300 would benefit from platform sharing if they don’t cancel it, the Dodge Challenger and Charger plus a new Dodge crossover would definitely benefit. Sergio promised platform sharing, but has been the worst in the industry to implement it. I just hope Manley makes some wiser decisions.

        • I’m not a VAG fan either, but yes there are lessons to learnt from them. I’d also love a Fulvia, Delta Integrale, Stratos and more to come back but it is unlikely at this point. I’m hoping Manley is a fan of the brand and saves it. That would be exciting.

          I don’t see why the Giulia QV cant just be reskinned into a Delta Integrale hatch or saloon and start the brand from the begining again. Maybe do an electric Fulvia? That would be my ideal commuter car to be honest. I am of course dreaming but nothing is impossible.

          I read that Chrysler might be getting a reskinned Jeep Comander…so that could be interesting if they make it great looking. Chrysler needs a halo car, the Portal isnt it. Dodge needs more crossovers and maybe a smaller coupe, Barracuda name maybe.

          Its easy to plan for these brands, they have so much potential, but when you have limited money in the bank, its understandable why every brand is missing product. They are trying to do a lot. It will take time but they are getting there.

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