The Viper Ran Out Of Reasons To Live, Says Its Father

The Dodge Viper is on its deathbed. Sure, we’ve been here before, and the Super Snake has made its comeback time and again. And it may once more. But the more likely outcome has it down for the count.

So what gives? That’s a question to ask of the Mopar supercar’s father: the inimitable Bob Lutz. And ask him someone did.

The former Chrysler chief and GM vice chairman fields a regular Q&A column for Road & Track, and among this month’s questions concerned the fate of the Viper that Maximum Bob ushered from concept to reality.

“What do you have to say about Fiat Chrysler Automobiles (FCA) killing the Viper after 25 years?” asked one guy from Ohio. Bob’s answer? “The Viper ran out of good reasons to live.”

“The original premise,” wrote Lutz, “was ‘more power and speed than anyone else.’ But the Viper was, in recent years, trumped by the Corvette ZR1 and Z06 and even in its own family by the Hellcat.”

A former BMW executive veep, Lutz also had to say this month that Bimmers have lost their dynamic edge (relative to the competition), that wagons have effectively been replaced by crossovers, and that public demand is making cars too complicated. Bob’s always been one to speak his mind.

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  • Kash

    “On it’s deathbed” no, its dead. It’s been taken off life support and its body is just slowly shutting down. It was on its deathbed for the last year.

    • Six Thousand Times

      Alas, you had almost mastered its/it’s…

      • Kash

        I’m not sure if it’s Chrome or my laptop, but one of them is giving me bad grammar advice.

        • Six Thousand Times

          Just think his/hers/theirs/its. and he’s/she’s/they’re/it’s.

          • europeon

            Did you just assume the pronouns?

          • Six Thousand Times

            No but it’s versus its is often confusing in English and that’s just one way of distinguishing between the contraction of it is and the possessive.

  • Guest

    The Boomers and Gen X’ers will continue to blame Gen Y’s for the killing the Viper, and continue to blame them not having $80K to spend on overpowered and under engineered sports cars. And even if they did have that kind of money, they foolishly choose to spend it on education instead of supporting FCA’s dying and outperformed sports car.

  • Six Thousand Times

    There was scope to make the Viper better than the ZR1/Z06 but FCA just didn’t have the money…or the will to do it. There was easily another 100/150 hp in that engine. An automatic could have been sourced or developed with ZF or Getrag and I’m sure a convertible was in the plans, eventually. What might’ve been…

  • smartacus

    ****************************************************************************************
    i gotta admit, it was very cool when i saw one of the first ones in the showroom in the early 90’s.

    Then in the 2000’s it was just a really fast car for those who needed a bit more than just a vette.

    Now it’s just something that a guy in a C63 AMG is hoping to meet at a red light

    • Jay

      agreed. well except the guy part. A man or woman could be driving.. also the car could be any current fast car around now a days 🙂

      How about “Now it’s just something you hope to meet at a red light” that works.

      • smartacus

        nah, females are not buying C63 AMGs if at all.
        and they are not hunting for Vipers

        • Jay

          Nah that’s sexist. You shouldn’t assume that ALL women don’t have taste in the faster C63.

          • smartacus

            nah that’s not sexist at all.
            (i haven’t heard anyone triggered into using the term sexist in a comment before)
            You shouldn’t assume women are even a big purchasing demographic of the C63…much less a Viper hunting demographic

          • Jay
          • smartacus

            hahahaha!!!!
            thanks for proving you lost
            it was fake!
            It was his car and he is saying it’s his gentle slow wife’s car.
            It’s not even on her name!!
            call Mike- 661-902- eight eight zero six

          • Jay

            Unfortunately you are only providing facts that you cannot read.

            1. He’s selling it for his wife, why would she be listed.
            2. He also states the previous owner was another female. ( can’t be proved of course)
            3. So here is more proof of you being wrong
            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/394ff85397340c0e7b7efe0c38db355883d0c2765d7b57a02ce21eeba4ef4fd7.png https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c05740f9871fa33eda1eaf4895a36b53e0af752eb090f1107ac2b1d8d1b6a805.png

            You clearly lost this one. You don’t have to admit defeat.

          • smartacus

            i HAVE TO upvote this, for such a beautiful defeat of your own purpose!

            Of course the guy is gonna say it’s his wife’s car. he wants to sell it.
            He wants people to think he was not driving it, but his slow gentle wife.

            He even lies so hard as to say it was previously owned by a female.
            OMG you get an upvote for your continued tantrum and refusal to accept you are wrong 🙂

          • Jay

            (there’s a first time for everything), I didn’t assume women were “big purchasers” of the car. My point is that not every single owner of a C63 is a male.

          • smartacus

            oh ok,lol it is automatically wrong to say “GUY” in a C63?
            because what if not every single owner of a C63 is a male.

          • Jay

            Precisely. It’s like assuming that you are dumb because I think you say dumb things. That’s a wrong to assume so I wont say it.

          • smartacus

            OK i can understand where you are coming from.
            Assuming you are dumb just because you say dumb things is as wrong as assuming women are a big purchasing demographic of the C63.

          • Jay

            I don’t see me mentioning that women were big purchasers. Care to point out where that is for everyone to see?

          • smartacus

            Because i didn’t say you said women were big purchasers.
            Because i said you ASSUMED women were a big purchasing demographic of the C63

          • Jay

            You said,

            nah that’s not sexist at all. (i haven’t heard anyone triggered into using the term sexist in a comment before)
            You shouldn’t assume women are a big purchasing demographic of the C63

            After I said,

            Nah that’s sexist. You shouldn’t assume that ALL women don’t have taste in the faster C63.

            How do you get me saying that women are the “big purchasing demographic of the C63“. I said “all” because you do not know how many C63’s were purchased by or for a female so you shouldn’t assume that you do know that. Especially since at the start you concluded

            nah, females are not buying C63 AMGs if at all.

            smh

          • smartacus

            Because i didn’t say you said women were big purchasers.
            I said you ASSUMED women were a big purchasing demographic of the C63.

            And you don’t know how many C63’s were purchased by or for a female, yet you tell me not to assume i know females are not buying C63

          • Jay

            wrong, I did not assume they were big purchases, I just know some women did buy it or had it bought for them.

          • smartacus

            i said you ASSUMED women were a big purchasing demographic of the C63

          • Jay

            I ASSUMED they purchased some of them.

          • smartacus

            you said you “just know some women did buy it or had it bought for them”

          • Jay

            That is not saying they were a big demographic for them so whats your point?

          • smartacus

            so then you admit women are not a big demographic for the C63.

          • Jay

            Admit that they aren’t something I never they were, sure. While we are at it women aren’t a big demographic for a lot if not all high end speed oriented vehicles. Again my point is that there are still some woman who do have the car. That’s very clear.

          • smartacus

            You say some women do have a C63 and “That’s very clear”

          • Jay

            You do say what I say a lot

          • smartacus

            then you can’t say i am wrong to say a “guy” in a C63 hoping to meet a Viper at a red light. You can’t say there is any likelihood of it being a woman.

          • Jay

            True but in the end I say

            “Now it’s just something you hope to meet at a red light”

            That takes out any gender specification.

          • smartacus

            no “true, but”

            true is enough.
            True, you can’t say i am wrong to say a “guy” in a C63 hoping to meet a Viper at a red light.

          • Jay

            Okay, true. It still leaves every other gender out though, so that’s why It’s best so say things that don’t specify a gender. get it, got it, good.

          • smartacus

            NOPE, STILL WRONG
            you can’t prove i am wrong to leave out every other gender.
            NTM, you didn’t even think of it until leftlaneprius told you

            Get it, got it, good

          • Jay

            I didn’t have to think of all of them because I did not specify any of them. Basically you’re wrong for assuming it would be a guy. I would be wrong except i did not say it would definitely be a man or woman.

          • smartacus

            Basically you are COMPLETELY UTTERLY WRONG to assume it being other than a guy C63 driver hoping for Vipers at the red light.

          • Jay

            So you are stating a fact that ONLY a GUY in a c63 is hoping to meet a viper at a red light?

          • smartacus

            yes. ONLY a GUY in a C63 is hoping to meet a Viper at a red light

          • Jay

            So no other genders are hoping the same because what?

          • smartacus

            Because a guy in a C63 hoping to meet a Viper at a red light is absolutely correct.

          • Jay

            Are all C63’s driven by guys?

          • smartacus

            it is more correct for me to say a “guy” in a C63 hoping to meet a Viper at a red light,
            than you mistakenly trying to correct me

            since you have zero proof to refute me except you “just know some women did buy it or had it bought for them”

          • Jay

            I had proof. But carscoops did not allow me to post the link of that proof. It was an add on craigslist. A guy was selling his wifes C63.

      • LeftLanePrius

        I don’t know why you assume there could be a man or woman driving, see this list of 58 different types of genders:
        Agender
        Androgyne
        Androgynous
        Bigender
        Cis
        Cisgender
        Cis Female
        Cis Male
        Cis Man
        Cis Woman
        Cisgender Female
        Cisgender Male
        Cisgender Man
        Cisgender Woman
        Female to Male
        FTM
        Gender Fluid
        Gender Nonconforming
        Gender Questioning
        Gender Variant
        Genderqueer
        Intersex
        Male to Female
        MTF
        Neither
        Neutrois
        Non-binary
        Other
        Pangender
        Trans
        Trans*
        Trans Female
        Trans* Female
        Trans Male
        Trans* Male
        Trans Man
        Trans* Man
        Trans Person
        Trans* Person
        Trans Woman
        Trans* Woman
        Transfeminine
        Transgender
        Transgender Female
        Transgender Male
        Transgender Man
        Transgender Person
        Transgender Woman
        Transmasculine
        Transsexual
        Transsexual Female
        Transsexual Male
        Transsexual Man
        Transsexual Person
        Transsexual Woman
        Two-Spirit

        Any one of these genders could be driving a C63AMG.

        • Jay

          Lol didn’t mean to leave those folks out too. That would make Smartacus extremely wrong in this situation.

          • smartacus

            Nope, not only am i not extremely wrong.
            but… YOU are extremely wrong 🙂

            Extremely Wrong for saying i’m wrong
            when you have ZERO way of proving me wrong.

            Until you can show me a demographic breakdown of C63 sales by all those on that list, you were wrong to say that would make me extremely wrong.

            and you are still on record admitting “women aren’t a big demographic for a lot if not all high end speed oriented vehicles”

          • Jay

            For the record I included two genders to your one which would make you more extremely wrong lol. But this isn’t about whose more wrong, or is it?

          • smartacus

            LOL
            you said “this is not about who is more wrong?

            right after you said “that would make smartacus extremely wrong”

          • Jay

            Lol yes you gwt it now.

          • smartacus

            oh yes i got it. you doublespeak

          • Jay

            I was joking with lines thats why I said them. I thought you got it.

          • smartacus

            you were not joking, that much is obvious 🙂
            you were just wrong, i thought you got it

          • Jay

            It has lol and ends with or is it?, that is a joke that went over your head because I guess you assumed I wouldn’t joke with you.

          • smartacus

            because you already showed me before in the last thread you weren’t joking. at first i thought you were joking.
            i guess this backpedaling on your part is not as believable as you hoped 🙂

          • Jay

            thats a shame you didn’t get the joke maybe next time.

          • smartacus

            meanwhile it was a shame i thought you were joking in yesterday’s thread.
            Till you let me know in all seriousness that you weren’t

          • Jay

            last thread? We’re talking about you thinking only guys drive and hope to see vipers at red lights.

          • smartacus

            NOPE, We’re talking about you being mistaken in trying to correct me because i dared write a “guy” in a C63 hoping to meet a Viper at a red light.

          • Jay

            I did not make a mistake. I know there are other genders out there that drive the C63.

          • smartacus

            oh yes you DID make a mistake.
            there are no other genders out there that drive the C63.
            Not even your assigned gender, ma’am.

          • Jay
          • smartacus

            hahaha!!!
            OMG i love the way you defeat yourself
            that was NOT HER CAR, SHE IS NOT EVEN GERMAN!!

          • Jay

            So now you add that you have to be german to own the car? You really are losing this more and more. Lol.

          • smartacus

            aww poor baby can’t reasonable-doubt away that the title was incorrect.

            Look at you. Just look at you.
            You are reduced to saying no no no, you are not losing because you are still fake smiling and ignore the tears streaming down your mascara.

          • Jay

            You deny all proof that I’ve shown and provided only an example. That is a loss on your behalf.

          • smartacus

            You deny your own proof defeated you.
            That is a loss on your behalf.

          • Jay

            Did you say a woman would not be buying a C63?

          • smartacus

            Did you say the women in that video owned the C63?

          • Jay

            Yes or No question, Did you say woman would not be buying a C63?

            nah, females are not buying C63 AMGs if at all.

            Did I say the woman owned them, No. The titles and several web pages say they own them.

          • smartacus

            Now you are going in circles.
            la dee dah.
            You were wrong to call me sexist for saying a “guy” in a C63 hoping to meet a Viper at a red light.

            So just admit it. You started it wrong and went the wrong way the whole time. Spinning it and twisting it, with me keeping you IN THE WRONG the whole time.

            aaah what a refreshing loser. Makes me feel good about myself when a court jester like this shows up wearing her “Kick Me” sign

          • Jay

            This all began because you didn’t want to agree that anyone could be driving a car. You were being sexist to believe that only a man would be buying/driving a C63. You failed because I have shown several photos of a gender other than male own and drive the car. Then when called out out it you try to say they need to be german. What a failure you are.

          • smartacus

            Going in circles with the same sentences that i already shut down.

            you can’t hide it anymore.
            i know you.
            i’ve seen your kind
            you ARE mentally ill.

          • Jay

            You were wrong in saying only a guy would buy a C63. Nothing else to see here folks move along.

          • smartacus

            i dunno.
            i don’t know if i should continue
            otherwise you may harm yourself
            in a state of mental incoherence

          • Jay

            why continue after you lost? Your assumption has been proving incorrect so stop.

          • smartacus

            OK yeah, that’s mental illness.
            That’s confirmed.
            i don’t want to witness some online masochism ritual

          • Jay

            you try to change the subject when you lose instead of admitting defeat.

          • smartacus

            Hang on; i think i can still help here:)
            Your psychosexual issues are based in not having a father figure.

            but there is hope!!

            Just because you never knew your father,
            you can still look to another male figure.

          • Jay

            Still avoiding the point of you being wrong. It’s okay to admit it. No one is going to like you any less. You may even gain some respect.

          • smartacus

            You don’t have to hide behind facades of histrionics to mask your true pain.
            You can talk about it

          • Jay

            Admitting your wrong could finally bring up your comment – to – upvote ratio. Just keep in mind it’s okay to be wrong sometimes. Children hate to be wrong and I assume that’s why you’ve been acting like a 14 year old lately. That I can’t help you with so I bid farewell. Good night.

          • smartacus

            What is the cause of your psychosexual aberration?
            i know Your parent was abusive to you,
            it will help if you say it out
            and confront your inner demons.

          • Jay

            You didn’t dare to write it, you did. And was wrong about it because there are other genders who drive them. See you also have no proof that only guys drive them.

          • smartacus

            yes i wrote it,
            you tried to make me feel as if i dared to write it.
            And i wasn’t wrong about it because there are no other genders who drive them.
            and now it’s my turn:
            you are COMPLETELY UTTERLY WRONG to try correcting me when i said “guy” in a C63 hoping to meet a Viper at a red light.

            You have zero proof that other than guys drive them.
            and even worse; i have proof you are wrong. You stepped in it because now comes the shutdown.
            It’s called probability distribution. and statistical unlikelihood.
            you see you would have known that if you went to college.

            It is legally binding too. i can even furnish you with a case example:
            the last year of the Diablo in USA was given a waiver for not having a child safe passenger airbag. The judges ruled the statistical unlikelihood of a woman driving a Diablo with a baby onboard was although technically possible, beyond physically improbable.

            youuuu just lost.

          • Jay

            You are wrong Smartacus, get that through you head. It is a Fact that more than one gender is capable of owning and driving a Mercedes benz C63, this is purely common sense and if you went to college you’d know this. No one agrees with you. Your example isn’t about the C63 so it proves nothing and because you do not have a chart stating how many *insert gender list* purchased the car and drive it means you cannot be correct even in the slightest. I’m sorry to burst your bubble.

          • smartacus

            thank you for your tantrum at being proven wrong
            you lost 🙂

          • Jay

            Notice a link above proving you’re wrong. An add listing a female owned C63 actually two females.

          • smartacus

            NOPE, fake.

            thank you for your tantrum at being proven wrong
            you lost 🙂

          • Jay

            The third reply clear as day. You are denying it because it shows your wrong 😂😂

          • smartacus

            the link says Mike- 661-902- eight eight zero six
            it was his car, his name on the car, he drove the car, but he is saying it was driven by his gentle slow wife.
            all you did was prove you fall for lies 🙂

          • グッチ 都玲

            You’re in trouble. Mom said for you to call her.

          • smartacus

            but i don’t want to talk to your mom till the weekend

      • caladan59

        You seriously need to adjust your “trigger” setting. I think yours is set WAY too low. Good grief.

        • Jay

          why?

          • caladan59

            You’re totally lost if you need me to explain why. Go find a safe space somewhere and play with your coloring book and crayons.

          • Jay

            You told me I need to adjust my “trigger”. If you didn’t plan on telling me why it should be adjusted then you shouldn’t have said anything at all..

          • caladan59
          • Jay

            Good day.

          • smartacus

            btw her called me a liar in another thread because
            he didn’t say “ww3” he said “another world war”

  • kachuks

    So how is the VLF Force 1, based on the Viper and part owned by Lutz, going to survive.

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