Red Bull Say They Would Have Won Races This Year Even With Honda Engines

Just how confident is Red Bull Racing with regards to next season’s engine switch from Renault to Honda? According to team principal Christian Horner, his outfit would have been pretty much where they are now even if the switch had already taken place.

In an interview with Autosport, Horner revealed that, based on their data, if they had used Honda engines in 2018 instead of waiting for 2019, they could have still won in China and Monaco seen as how Honda is “within one per cent” of Renault.

“We’d have still won the grands prix we won,” said Horner. “Honda are within 1% of our measurement of where we currently are.”

“There’s still a significant chunk to get to Ferrari and Mercedes, but having the full focus of an OEM like Honda behind us, combined with the fact that with Renault we we’re becoming more and more the customer as inevitably their focus becomes more centered on their own team, it was absolutely the right timing to go this different path.”

RBR has been using Toro Rosso’s Honda engine supply deal in order to learn more about their upcoming 2019 engine. The Red Bull boss also said that Honda offers greater design and development capacity than Renault.

“With where we currently are with Renault, the positioning of any box, any juncture, on the engine is dictated by their own works team. We have to accommodate whatever Renault Enstone want to adopt. Sometimes we have to make compromises to accommodate that.”

“With Honda, we will have the ability to have the discussions in advance to try to optimize the integration between engine and chassis. They are earlier on the curve and they have the resource and the capacity.”

Despite making significant advances this year compared to previous seasons, Toro Rosso’s Honda-powered cars are still trailing the likes of McLaren Renault and Renault’s works team in the 2018 Constructor Standings. While Renault and McLaren have 70 and 48 points respectively, Toro Rosso has scored only 19 points in 10 races. On the other hand, it is really Red Bull’s second team, and has nothing like the resources allocated to RBR – nor its drivers, for that matter.

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  • sidewaysspin

    How f1 cars have become unbearably ugly.

    • ChrisInIL

      Style has been (slightly) sacrificed for the sake of performance. It is after all a race, and not a fashion show.

  • fabri99

    FIA needs to find a way to fix Formula 1. Make the field more even, small teams more competitive and cars that are smaller and easier to pass… Just make the racing more interesting, because right now they are pretty boring. And when they are not boring it’s only because someone crashed and caused mayhem, not due to some great driving and overtakes (of which I’ve seen very few this year).

    • Vassilis

      Are you serious mate? Most races this year have been great.

      • fabri99

        Well, I guess they have been better than last year (or the years before that), but in comparison other championships are much more entertaining to watch. Just go watch the battle Paffett and Glock had in DTM race 2 at Hockenheim earlier this year… yes, that’s touring cars, but that doesn’t mean F1 can’t have hard fought battles like that one. I’m not saying F1 is terrible, but it could be better. And it should be better, considering it is perhaps the highest level of motor racing and definitely the most followed one.

        • Vassilis

          I tried watching DTM a few years ago, followed the whole season and I found it much more boring overall. Now if there was one good battle, good for them but I honestly don’t think DTM is a good example. Australian Supercars are good fun. Yes, F1 can be better, it will be better but I think it’s very unfair to say it’s boring right now. It really isn’t. The cars are amazing, the battles are great, it’s genuinely exciting.

          • fabri99

            There are always great battles in DTM. Au supercars is great too, and so is the BTCC and japanese Super GT. Anyways, some races this year have been interesting (though I wouldn’t say there has been any great battle, side by side for like an entire lap or more, like you get in GT and Touring racing), but there have also been super boring races. Melborune, Monaco and Spain really had me yawning. And even those that were exciting, like Azerbaijan, were only exciting due to crashes and retirements. Great passes? Some in Bahrain and China, and few others.

          • Vassilis

            First of all, anyone who follows F1 need to understand the series’ nature. You can’t expect entire lap side-by-side battles because the aerodynamics make that extremely difficult. GT and Touring Cars (except maybe DTM) count on those much less, therefore you get more battles. The moment you see F1 for what it is, you’ll enjoy it much more. Now, should they fix that problem? Of course they should and they’re trying to. Until that happens we need to keep our expectations in check.

            Out of 10 races you pointed out 3 as very boring. That means the rest were good. I think that’s acceptable. Silverstone was great, Austria was good and France was also good. You’ll get a few boring races in any series. Even MotoGP has some in a season.

          • fabri99

            Eh, I guess to each his own. I know F1 cannot be like touring cars or GT racing…but I wish it was more like it.

  • Six_Tymes

    interesting

  • ChrisInIL

    I have greater faith in Horner making something of the Honda lump than Zak Brown.

  • Lemuel Taylor

    From the performances this year it is clear Honda has made great strides in their development. Renault still seems to be as unreliable as ever. STR-Honda have not produced competitive results for more reasons than just an under performing engine. All in all I think this is a good move on Red Bull’s part.

  • I wouldn’t suprised, by next year Honda should be more mature, and with engine builder that focus on you (Come on, no one ever think that Renault will play it even with their own team is it)

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