Audi Might Be Replaced By Porsche As Lamborghini’s Handler In January

Audi could soon relinquish ownership of Lamborghini in a VW Group shakeup that will allegedly see Porsche take charge of the Italian automaker.

Automobile Magazine reports that the companies involved want to finalize the change by January 1st, 2019 and if it goes ahead, Porsche’s influence on Lamborghini could be significant.

VW allegedly wants more and more of its performance vehicles to use Porsche underpinnings, which may present an obstacle for Lamborghini. It is no secret that replacements to the Aventador and Huracan are in the works and were going to share the same monofuselage carbon fiber architecture.

The Aventador’s successor is tipped to land in 2022, and because the project is so far into development, VW has no choice but to let Lamborghini carry on with limited influence from Porsche. Consequently, the supercar will utilize two electric motors at the front axle, batteries in the center, and a naturally-aspirated V12 engine combined with a dual-clutch Getrag transmission and a third e-motor behind the seats. All up, it could deliver more than 1000 hp.

Things, however, could get interesting with the next-generation Huracan. If Porsche does indeed take ownership of the marque by early next year, it may have time to overhaul Lamborghini’s entry-level model.

For the past little while, the company has been developing the next Huracan around the same architecture as the Aventador’s successor. While there’s a chance this may still happen, it is also possible that Porsche, Audi, and Lamborghini will create a new aluminum-intensive modular platform to be used by sports cars throughout the VW family.

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  • Six_Tymes
  • Elmediterraneo

    So that explains why the next Audi R8 could go on full electric. It’s to make a room for a new Porsche hybrid supercar so the 960 is back ! Actually that line-up makes sense
    – Audi R8 e-tron : Electric
    – Porsche 960 : V8 4.0 liter Biturbo Hybrid
    – Lamborghini Huracan II : V10 Naturally Aspirated Hybrid
    – Lamborghini Aventador II : V12 Naturally Aspirated Hybrid

  • D3X

    Goddamn! I was right. Where is ArcherOnCars?

    • Astonman

      LOL!!!

    • Huh? What are you banging on about.

  • charlie bear

    Makes sense, Porsche and Lambo are both sports cars manufacturers, A good move from VW.

    • Philip George

      what about conflict of interest? Porsche have their own brand to promote and sports/supercars to sell. Surely, they’ll place their interest first and above Lamborghini’s. Thats where the danger is. Audi and Lambo didn’t, and don’t, have conflict of interest, which explains why their ownership structure/partnership worked so dynamically and efficiently.

      • D3X

        There’s no conflict of interest. Porsche has always had their feet in Motorsports and that they always took their timeless body exterior design secondary to their legendary handling and chassis. Lamborghini was always fashion, luxury, trend and extreme exterior design and over-the-top performance with little to do with motorsport rather than handling and chassis.

        So even if Porsche were to design the platform, Lamborghini can always add their DNA to it and make it their own without issue. Heck, maybe the cars will actually drive better.

        • Philip George

          Thats not what the article is saying though. It’s stating Porsche will have control over Lamborghini. That would include brand promotion decisions, designs, marketing etc. They essentially target the same cachet of customers, hence my positing a conflict of interest scenario.

  • Daniela Wolf

    Makes no sense…
    Audi owns Lambo to 100 percent

    and the new premiumn electric platforms are developed by Audi.

    Who claims this change?

    • D3X

      VAG

      • Daniela Wolf

        And? VAG is not used anymore….
        Second neither VW nor Porsche can decide anything about Lambo.

        • D3X

          Volkswagen Automotive Group owns all the brands you speak of. They can ultimately do whatever they want as long as they turn a desirable profit, and it makes sense to streamline two of their Sport / exotic brands. Electric drive R&D didn’t come cheap at all for Porsche, so why would they want to do it all over again differently for Lamborghini?

          • Daniela Wolf

            And again VW does not own Lambo.^^

          • D3X

            Yes they do! Google it.

          • Daniela Wolf

            I did – Audi.^^

          • D3X

            And Audi is owned by VAG. Are you dense?

          • Daniela Wolf

            VW still can’t decide about Lambo – got it?

          • D3X

            Man, I’m like talking to a wall. I’m talking about Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft or Volkswagen Group is the organization above all the brands; VW, Bentley, Audi, Lamborghini, Skoda, SEAT, Porsche and Ducati, and they dictate and can decide how these brands do business. I’m done with discussion with you, you obviously don’t have a clue what’s going on.

          • Mr. EP9

            Yes they can, they own Audi. The parent company has the final say in the matter. Got it?

          • Daniela Wolf

            They don’t 😛

    • Mr. EP9

      VAG the parent company that owns Audi, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley etc….Audi may own Lamborghini but VAG owns Audi. So yes, they can make the decision.

      • Daniela Wolf

        U got no clue about that. 😛

  • Axel Cortez

    unless porsche develops something within the lines of the huracan/aventador I don’t see how porsche can influence the brand

    911 and 718 are very unique type of cars that has no counterpart from any vag brand, the huracan and audi r8 at least share same engine and platform. I can understand a monocoque for the aventador, huracan and audi r8; but i cannot see how the 911-718 would fit in there.

    The SUVs already share platform Toureg, Cayenne, Urus, Q7

    • D3X

      I think this is going to begin with only the Electric Drive / Taycan platform.

      The way I look at it, this won’t really pose a problem.

      1). Porsche was always about refinement and sports performance, their motorsport performance is a testament to that.

      2). Lamborghini has always been about *form* rather than only performance, an extreme look and appeal and marries it up with a high performance drivetrain.

      So in other words, Porsche will continue their R&D and focus on refinement of their offerings, whereas Lambo will look at ways to adopt Porsche’s chassis/underpinnings. I see this as a good thing, Lamborghini was never really known as a very refined handling car in the first place, this may change that.

      • Axel Cortez

        For lamborghini to gain anything from Porsche (or the other way around) there should platform sharing, the only reason I see Porsche getting their hands in it, is that Porsche wants to develop something above the 911 below the 918

    • Daniela Wolf

      called the D platform developed by Audi.^^

      • Axel Cortez

        The D platform is the old Large luxury platform replaced by the MLB I don’t get your comment

        • Daniela Wolf

          MLB / MLQB today describes mainly in which way a engine is placed in a car .

        • Daniela Wolf

          Never heard of B,C,D 😛

  • Hoe

    Well, I never understood why the R8 came to existence.
    It may be a great car, etc, but VAG should reorganise their car divisions in a more coherent way:
    – Sport: Seat-Cupra, Porsche, Lamborghini, well, and Ducati
    – Confort: Skoda, VW, Audi
    – Commercial: Scania, Man, Neoplan
    – Luxury: Bentley and Bugatti as la crème de la crème

  • Elmediterraneo

    That’s a restructurations about who’s directing which brand’s engineering about engines, platforms and software. Volkswagen wants to see their brands under 3 organisations. Volkswagen gets in charge of the affrodable cars with Volkswagen, Seat and Skoda. Porsche gets in charge of the luxury brands : Porsche, Bentley, Lamborghini and Bugatti. So Audi, as a premium brand and the group’s biggest money-maker can fully be focused their engineering on fighting with BMW and Mercedes on the electric market. That move already started by Porsche who provided the Panamera’s MSB architecture to Bentley for the new Continental GT. That’s also why at the future, Audi is planning to ditch their MLB platform and replace it by the Volkswagen’s MQB for the A4 A5 and by the Porsche’s MSB for the A6 A7 A8. Porsche’s control of Lamborghini is a good news because we will be able to see a 960 supercar built on the same basis as the next Lamborghini V10 while the Audi R8 will become a full electric.

  • Daniela Wolf

    1. Why has noboy a clue of platforms within the VW Group
    2. Why does noboy know the structure of the VW Group
    3. Why does nobody know what is developed by which brand within the VW Group
    4. Why does anybody use ” VAG ” today ? It’s not used anylonger.

    • Elmediterraneo

      VAG : Volkswagen Audi Group before 1998.
      Volkswagen AG : Volkswagen Group in German.

      • Wrong!
        VAG = Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft (Volkswagen Group)

        Aktiengesellschaft is a German word for a corporation limited by share ownership (i.e. is owned by its shareholders) and may be traded on a stock market. The term is used in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, South Tyrol and for companies incorporated in the German-speaking region of Belgium. It is also used in Luxembourg, though the French-language equivalent, Société Anonyme, is more common.

      • Daniela Wolf

        JUST dont use it anymore
        THX.

        • Mr. EP9

          No, people are still going to use it when referring to the group just like people refer to Fiat-Chrysler as FCA.

          • D3X

            Hasn’t really changed really, even in their corporate culture.

            Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft = Volkswagen AG for short.

            Sure it’s a play on the original Volkswagen Audi Group from the old, but even for the company themselves it’s referred as V AG. http://www.volkswagenag . com for example, or go to their Linked In Page which is also Volkswagen AG as the description / title.

          • Daniela Wolf

            They don’t and i speak german – WE DON’T USE THIS !

          • Daniela Wolf

            No they don’t !!! We use VW Group….

  • ace_9

    But that still does not mean that R8 and Huracan II will be all electric.

    • D3X

      We certainly don’t know for sure, but it seems that VAG has taken up on the EV race, so it would make sense if any of this bleeds into the other brands. Huracan would make sense too, it’s the entry level Lambo, where else would they introduce it aside from the completely custom one off route?

      • ace_9

        I agree that there will be some electric supercars from VAG, but R8 and Huracan are not suitable models in my opinion, because as you said, they are more entry level supercars and making them all electric would probably increase the price and discourage many of the current groups of customers. We all know that oil is not going to last forever, but if I would have the money, I would for sure wanted to experience proper burning of dinosaur juices to the end. And I am certain that I am not the only one. I think it would make sense to make all electric hypercars for the ultra-rich. Because they own many cars anyway and they can afford paying premium and they would want to experience something else than traditional supercars. It is however possible that R8 would be shifted to such segment, but for Huracan II, I don’t think so.

        • D3X

          Yes agreed to what you said above, and this would have made sense prior to Tesla. However, the Taycan is obvious response to the Model S and possibly even the Roadster. We don’t know, it really depends on the performance and how it stacks up with existing Petroleum based Hypercars & Supercars. Maybe VAG knows something we don’t and it the Taycan is actually really good, and good enough the drive the Huracan and change Lamborghini forever.

          • botornot387

            It was already announced that Porsche/Audi already had a separate platform being developed for sports car/performance models aside from the current set up underpinning the Taycan. It was also announced in a separate article that the 911 underpinnings are modular and can be set up for mid-engine components. Obviously with cost savings being sought after by every manufacturer, it was only a matter of time that VW group further put this into play. It was said in an article that the Hurracan/R8 would ride on the mid-engine platform underpinnings being developed by Porsche. I feel like this article is a little clickbait because its written as if its putting brands within VW structure at odds, but its been pretty apparent, especially in the realm of electric models that Audi/Porsche are pretty much the engineering capitals of the group and are more than willing to develop/share/and manufacture vehicles in a coordinated manner. There are already rumors that the VW group will ditch the MLB Evo platform and move everything with a longitudinal engine from the VW brands to Porsche’s MSB platform. Audi and Porsche already co-develop V6 and V8 engines and drivetrains for the entire group. The brands are sharing the 48 volt tech. This is just VW putting synergies to work and moving at a much quicker rate after dieselgate and the toppling of past CEO’s who wouldn’t have moved in this direction.

  • botornot387

    They are all under the VAG group. No one is buying anything in this, it’s just consolidating platforms to benefit the entire group. The exact reason why Ducati is still in limbo, because it really can’t cost share anything from anywhere else in the VAG group.

  • Daniela Wolf

    If u would be informed u would know that Porsche got a majority of VWs shares …..

    • Axel Cortez

      You should read and read again about the structure of VAG and Porsche

      VAG own Porsche AG, yet Porsche SE which is a Holding owns Half of VAG

      So the car maker Porsche is under control of Volkswagen as the other brands

      • Daniela Wolf

        wow – what iam talking about….

  • Daniela Wolf

    Yes they own it but they can’t decide everything wtf!
    VW can’t even decide anything when Porsche says no……

  • Wandering_Spirit

    Now, that is a good idea. They will still look like the Transformers but the a joint Lambo-Porsche platform is surely better than an Audi one.

  • Philip George

    Conflict of interest. Porsche have their own sports cars/supercars to sell and their own brand to promote, and Porsche has never been known to put other’s interest ahead of theirs. If this actually goes through, expect Lamborghini’s brand to shine less and fewer Lambo cars sold.

  • nunomaiaGMR

    This is about restructuring of group brands: Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley for luxury/sport while VW/Skoda/Audi/Seat cater the mainstream. Makes total sense and results from market perception. Also expect Audi to be further pushed down with more extensive use of transversal MQB platform instead of longitudinal based underpinings.

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