The Days Of Germany’s No-Speed-Limit Autobahn Are Probably Numbered

The German government is considering adopting a range of draft proposals about the reduction of environmental damage caused by transport, which could result into the end of the de-restricted parts of their highways, more widely known as Autobahns (Autobahnen is more accurate, but whatever…).

The National Platform on the Future of Mobility, the committee responsible for coming up with the proposals recommended many things, including fuel tax hikes and EV quotas to help Germany meet EU’s emissions targets, Reuters reports.

Germany’s transport emissions have not fallen since 1990, making them a big target for reductions. However the government appears to be torn between acting for the protection of the environment and the need to protect the country’s automotive industry. In addition, it could face heavy fines from the EU if it fails to reduce its emissions.

Among the draft proposals is a motorway speed limit of 130km/h (80.7mph) and increased fuel taxes from 2023, along with ending tax breaks for diesel vehicles and imposing quotas for electric and hybrid cars. According to the committee, these measures could deliver half of the greenhouse gas emissions cuts that are required.

The committee hasn’t finalized its proposals yet, as the final report will be given at the end of March. The government is expected to incorporate this report into a climate-change law.

The National Platform on the Future of Mobility appears well aware that many of its proposals might prove unpopular with German drivers as well as a number of politicians.

“Not every instrument and every measure will be accepted,” reads the draft report. “It will take political deftness, diplomatic skill and a willingness to compromise to achieve the climate change goals.”

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  • MarineCorpsX

    …it’s not gonna happen, don’t worry.

    • Matthew Daraei

      We all hope so! 😀

      • MarineCorpsX

        …it’s just a politics, they play games. Same with diesels, but now they decide to relax, they made too much trouble for the economy. Green parties are trying and trying and trying with speed limit, last 20 years, but it is much bigger than an ecology. All German economy is based on transport and car industry. Also, speed limits around cities already exist and this is it. Like I said, don’t worry. 🙂

    • BGM

      Sure… That’s probably what your average German thought about the deliberate ethnic transformation of their country by the elites. Look at them now.

    • Mr. EP9

      Let’s hope so.

  • Jessi Miley-Diabetes

    Get. Fucked.

  • As Richard Hammond once said, “What’s the point of having Germany?”

  • Gullet

    Well, let EV’s drive as fast as they want and regulate all others. Done.
    But that’s not gonna happen before VW, Merc and BMW have EV’s in all segments.

  • Dark Rebel

    Considering that Germany is burning more coal since they are scared of nuclear energy electric cars don’t help them with their climate narrative. Since they are pushing for more EVs. As they will need more coal. Can’t put windmills every as people need to eat. There is more to the energy problem than politicians realize. How about these dirty boats that carry goods worldwide? No one talks about those.

    • ace_9

      I cannot believe what I’m reading in this discussion. Humanity is doomed. Stupidity will kill us. “Dirty boats”, omg… I’m not going to waste my time. Please look up why these dirty boats (and also planes) are not running on pure clean electricity, like you are probably imagining they should…

      • Dark Rebel

        Please don’t waste your time your response is rather sloppy as you assume I do not understand physics with your last statement.

        • ace_9

          Well, if you understand basic physics then you must know that there is no suitable power supply, except oil and atomic energy, that could power the dirty boats. And atomic energy is not always suitable.

          • john1168

            Atomic river boats… LMAO… Really??? LMAO

          • ace_9

            Who mentioned “river” boats? Nuclear power is used for some of the cargo ships and I mentioned it only as a suitable power source. Because there is not much else besides diesel and nuclear power for the container ships. And that is why they pollute. Because there is no other suitable choice.

          • john1168

            I did mention river boats in my original message but edited it out about 5 minutes after I posted. You must have responded right away to my original post. No one mentioned river boats. That’s why I edited it out earlier.

            Nuclear power may be good on paper but I think it would create more problems than it would solve in the hands of non military and companies and people that won’t have adequate security to make sure all those nuclear reactors don’t fall into the wrong hands. Maintenance is another issue as well as spent rod disposal.

            I’m not a boat engineer but I always wondered if they could do a diesel or natural gas/ electric hybrid setup like they do on locomotives. A diesel or natural gas engine would power an electric motor which would power the props and charge batteries.

            I don’t know what the answer is but I know that coal isn’t the answer. And there are other options out there. The problem is money. As in, no one wants to spend it to make the switch from coal. But getting rid of coal fired power plants and coal powered whatever else, will do a lot more than putting a 130kph speed limit on a road with no speed limit, where everyone is already doing 130kph. That’s just my opinion.

          • Dark Rebel

            I believe that you completely missed the point of my original comment. Your second comment makes more sense though. My point was there are several solutions and electric everything is not viable.

      • john1168

        Please… PLEASE explain to us why airplanes are not running on “pure clean electricity”… LOL

        • ace_9

          The same reason why big container ships are not using electric batteries. The energy density of batteries is very poor compared to fuels from oil.

  • john1168

    Has anyone over there done a study on how much a 130kph speed limit will affect gas emissions? I’m by no means an expert on the autobahn but I have been on it maybe 15 or 20 times. I don’t see many drivers going over that speed now? There are few who do and occasionally you’ll see a 911 or whatever sports car going way faster but usually I see most drivers going about 130 give or take a few kph. My point is, if they make this 130kph speed limit, it’s not really going to change the gas emissions for the majority of drivers so to me there’s no point in implementing this limit. And like others have said here, in some areas of the autobahn, there are already speed limits but I believe this is for more densly populated areas with lots of traffic and is for safety reasons and not gas emissions.

    If they do burn a lot of coal there like Dark Rebel says, maybe they should work on that. It would be expensive to make the switch but it would be far more effective at lowering carbon emissions.

    • ace_9

      Nice excuses to do nothing. Do you approach to all problems in this way? First of all, speed limit affects emissions, because most people would go around 110 km/h, instead of around 130 km/h and there is a difference. Secondly, it would be even more pointless for many people to buy cars capable of speeds above 200 km/h, so there will be more lower powered cars with fewer emissions, because also manufacturers would stop focusing on more and more power, which always comes at the expense of emissions and fuel consumption. And less overall fuel consumption is once again also beneficial, because there is no need to produce and deliver that much fuel around the country.
      Do you seriously think that they would be proposing these things even if there would be no possible benefits regarding emissions? I don’t think these people are making the decisions in your way. You practically decided without any evidence, that lowering a speed limit to 130 km/h has no effect. Just like that. And you are expecting the world to prove you otherwise now. That’s usually called ignorance.

      • Dark Rebel

        There is a very small difference between 110km/h and 130km/h. Especially with newer transmissions. You are right it is pointless to buy cars that can go fast so what. This is the United States and if people want something they can get it to because you know what they have the right too. Don’t dictate to people what they need bringing them down to low common denominator. Emissions are not a big deal. The earth has been through cold and hot periods throughout history. Humans breathe out C02 volcanos spit out SOO much stuff in the air. The human population continues to grow (mostly third world) because more food can be grown since we are in a warm age.

        • ace_9

          My car has a difference of around 1,2 l/100 km, my previous car had a difference 1,5 l/100 km between 110 km/h and 130 km/h. There is a difference and not that small. Especially with smaller and less powerful cars. I know about natural causes of global warming, but people accelerated it very rapidly in a last century and that is what causes the problem. It is too fast now and can lead to very sudden changes with catastrophic consequences. Slow climate changes give chance to adapt. Fast changes multiply the effects.

      • john1168

        WTF dude! Who pissed in your cheerios this morning??? We’re all adults here having a conversation. I like to think that in some way we’re all friends but if you want to act like an ass, hey, go for it. There’s more going on here than you think. Yes, if you take one car and compare the emissions at one speed compared with a different speed, you will see a difference. I personally think that Germany is trying to make it look like they’re doing something, without actually doing something. It’s politics and BS! On the areas where there is no speed limit, they want to make the speed limit the speed the majority of drivers are ALREADY DOING! They are considering taking the small percentage of no speed limit roads and putting speed limits on them. Well, if a couple of cars are going all out on 10% of all the roads in Germany now and then, how much carbon emissions will that save us professor? I’m arrogant??? Do you even proof read your comments before you post them??? LOL Nobody needs to prove nothing to me in countries I don’t live in. If I live in a particular country and pay taxes there, then that’s different… then yeah, they have to prove stuff to me and to the other citizens in that country. I’m all for reducing emissions and increasing efficiency but let’s find areas where we can do REAL emissions reductions shall we… Geez! Talk about ignorance…

    • Ronald Roman

      It’s not about the results (gas emission reduction). All potential savings will be offset by a cold day in a Chinese city, when they’ll fire up the coal plant a notch up…
      It’s ALL about perceptions; politicians want to be seen doing something CONSIDERED good.

    • Konrad

      Yes, they have done such studies. As it turns out it would make no difference, as only 5% of all streets have no speed limits.

    • Dark Rebel

      You are correct about the speed impacting emissions. A lot of factors are at play though such as how the transmission is geared. Newer cars have more gears so they will run at a lower RPM even at 130kph. I used to live over there and most people went whatever the speed limit was because they wanted to save money. People with nicer cars did tend to drive faster because they could afford too. Now the thing is that one did not always see people going fast as there aren’t that many sports car owners to begin with. The average person had some crappy four cylinder engine that was over boosted. Now those cars are the problem if one really cares about emissions. So lets say everyone in Germany got an electric car tomorrow. Electric cars are faster so the same people would drive faster and others would drive at whatever speed gave them the most range because it will cost just as much to fill up in Germany as it will to charge. Since electric rates are typically very high. Also just like everywhere else the autobahn is crowded near cities with lots of traffic. The variable restricted areas are typically in rural areas as one would expect since traffic flow is so low. Germany’s roads are only getting more crowded though.
      The reason they burn more coal is because they are phasing out their nuclear plants because of that disaster in Japan a few years ago. Which is funny considering that nuclear plants are C02 neutral.

  • Keep voting globalists in and this is what you’ll end up with.

    • ace_9

      Wow… I know that people like you exist, but it always surprises me to actually witness someone like you. Total ignorance is the description you fit perfectly.

  • Ronald Roman

    But the Greens are a force to be reckon with, unlike US.

    • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

      Greens are pretty crazy. When more of them grasp the fact that climate change is a lie, they’ll change their stance.

      • Ronald Roman

        Agree. But that will NEVER happen. It’s a matter of psychological investment. After you believe (or act like you do) something for years, no evidence will convince you of the contrary. Or it will, but VERY, VERY hard.

  • Trackhacker

    Well point of the unreliable german cars anymore than apart from badge flashing.

  • Dark Rebel

    My dad was stationed there too and your observations are correct. However in many rural areas one could open it up IF they wanted to. Also many people don’t realize how hard it is to get a license and that they are actually trained how to drive.

  • john1168

    Dude! I can’t give you enough upvotes! 🙂

    • Muzzammil Ather

      Yo thanks, homie. 😀

  • Dark Rebel

    Not exactly true as there is no European license. Each country administers their own. I am mainly speaking for the German license which was hard to get because one had to learn all the signs plus tests on many driving scenarios. It wasn’t like the US where there was like 15 questions in kindergarten knowledge.

  • joeybuttafucco

    say it ain’t so, Joe!

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