Trump An Autonomous Vehicle Skeptic, Reportedly Says They’ll “Never Work”

A number of companies are working on autonomous vehicles, but automakers have continually noted that one of their biggest hurdles involves government regulation.

Government bureaucracy moves at a snail’s pace and it reportedly took the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration 14 months to respond to GM’s request for a temporary exemption of Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards in order to test an autonomous Chevrolet Bolt without pedals or a steering wheel. That petition has now advanced to the public comment phase, but it’s a good example of the challenges facing automakers.

While there’s no word on why the process took so long, it appears President Trump isn’t a fan of autonomous vehicles. According to Axios, Trump has privately said autonomous vehicles are “crazy” and he would never let a computer drive him around.

The publication cites four different sources and one of them said Trump has told him autonomous vehicles will “never work.” Another said the President is a “skeptic,” while one claimed Trump has even acted out an accident while saying “Can you imagine, you’re sitting in the back seat and all of a sudden this car is zig-zagging around the corner and you can’t stop the f*cking thing?”

While Trump’s skepticism of autonomous vehicles appears to be shared with a majority of Americans, there are fears his feelings could impact policy. There doesn’t appear to be any evidence of that happening, but the report says “Trump already calls self-driving cars out-of-control death traps, so any news fueling that fear could jolt him into action.”

Regardless of the President’s feelings about the technology, regulatory issues are a huge hurdle for automakers. However, the Department of Transportation is developing a new council which aims to identify and resolve “jurisdictional and regulatory gaps that may impede the deployment of new technology, such as tunneling, hyperloop, autonomous vehicles, and other innovations.”

H/T to The Verge

  • EyalN

    well, he is not the only one saying that

    • S3XY

      You and your little dirt bike are not involved nor leading the way in the development of autonomous vehicle technology. Elon Musk and the entire fleet of Tesla’s equipped with Autopilot have gone over 1.5 billion miles driven hands free. That proves otherwise.

      Tesla’s are being driven right now as I type on Autopilot so it doesn’t matter what you have to say if you’re not exposed nor utilizing the actual technology.

      • ace_9

        Autonomous vehicle means different things in different context. In your case, you are not expecting that much. Kind of like an “artificial intelligence” in the 80’s, because computers were able to play chess and first more capable robots started to appear. Completely autonomous vehicle in all conditions requires very high level of machine thinking, that’s probably not possible to achieve with current technology. But some types of autonomous vehicles in certain environments can exist and Tesla is certainly one of that subset. Just don’t think it’s a fully autonomous vehicle. It is very far from that.

    • Yes, unfortunately there are way more narrow-minded people in the world. As you can see in this thread, an actual engineer trying to explain but all the smarties disagree with him, because “they know better”. I guess it’s easier to believe in biblical fairy tales than engineers…

  • Jay

    If this is true it’s the first thing I’ll agree with him on.

    • S3XY

      If that is true than you are as ignorant as him, because you’ve never allowed a Tesla to drive you.

      • Jay

        Just because it can do a good job driving most of the time doesn’t mean I’ll trust it all the time, when I least expect it, it could fail and there’s no way I’ll get over that fear no matter how long it drives accident free. All electronics fail at some point and I don’t want to be the one walking across the street or behind the wheel when it does.

        • Stigasawuswrecks

          Hi, someone who actually works in automation here. It can work and wilk work. All it will take is time and an infrastructure standard. And trust me, on the job accidents after an autmotaed system is implemented always drops and the vast majority of accidents occur due to human error.

          • Jay

            All you’re saying is that accidents will happen but there won’t be a lot of them. That’s fine for you until it’s you or one of your family involved in the accident. I’d rather blame a person than an autonomous system. We can agree to disagree because I’m not changing my mind on this.

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            You’d rather blame the person…. who do you think implements the automated system? So what you’re saying is that even though accidents will be cut down significantly it’s better to have more because you’ll be able to blame somebody? That’s not agreeing to disagree, that’s just poor logic.

          • Jay

            Why do you think Airlines are still against letting commercial planes fly themselves or be flown remotely even they can do it pretty well?

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            What do planes have to do with cars?

          • Jay

            The autonomous system potentially controlling them. I believe the same reason holding Arline’s back from allowing AP or remote pilots from flying commercial jets is the same reason why we shouldn’t allow autonomous cars on the road. Do you not have an opinion on what that reason is?

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            Can I ask you a question How much experience do you have in automation and automated systems?

          • Jay

            I guess not much my iPhone sometimes automatically unlocks when I look at it, the light signal sometimes detects when cars are at the light to change. Sometimes the parking sensors beep when there’s nothing in the way, mail sometimes get sorted incorrectly. All examples of systems that have the ability to fail, Will you not answer my question?

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            I’m the engineering manager and chief design engineer for an automation company. Saying automation system for a palne and car are similar is like saying their drive trains are similar. The sensors used if a standardized system is implemented are far different and far more accurate than some simple parking sensor. Best implementation would be to use a laser based and lidar system that give highly accurate 3D positioning compared to scattered ultrasonic sounds that don’t really depend on accuracy.

          • Jay

            Congratulations, nothing wrong with defending your position. I chose to compare them because they are both transporting humans.

            Consider the fact we have UAV’s flying around just fine. The autopilot system in planes works pretty flawlessly as well with the help of input from the pilot which could very well be done remotely too. They can take off and land pretty accurately but my question was, why do you think airlines have not yet allowed them to control commercial flights on their own? I’d argue that a few of the systems will be shared across both air and ground vehicles so to me it is a fair comparison.

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            No offense but it’s obvious you have no clue about automated systems. You even stated that fact. It’s not defending a position but stating the facts about the vast difference between how an an autonomous plane and car would work. I don’t know how much I can stress that there is no real comparison and they’d operate far differently. I’m trying to keep this as simple as possible but that seems to be even too hard for you. You keep bringing up planes just because you feel that strengthens and validates your argument when in fact it just proves how little you know about automation in general.

          • Jay

            I think it’s going over your head or you’re just in denial. Even if you don’t consider them to be similar you still haven’t answered the question.

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            BECAUSE THAT QUESTION HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TOPIC AT HAND! Why is that for you to understand? If we’re doing comparisons then shouldn’t cars have a copilot since airplanes do? How can you argue with no experience on a topic with someone with lots of experience and still think you’re right?

          • Jay

            I understand where you’re coming from, and even though I don’t agree or have experience I’ve answered your question. You haven’t answered mine simply because you don’t agree with me. You could answer whether you see the similarities or not. I’m asking for the sake of the conversation at this point.

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            I’ve answered you question a numerous amount of times it’s just you don’t like my answer The science and applications behind both systems work as similar as the way a car and a plane travels. Airplanes are far more complex since they don’t move in a path guided 2D plane the way that cars do. That’s the simplest I way I can put that for you.

          • ace_9

            I would just point out that an automated car capable of driving in a supporting environment under limited conditions is far from an autonomous car for me and I’m sure many others. So, can we stop pretending like fully autonomous cars are just around the corner?

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            In my first comment I said it would take time and a standardized infrastructure. If legislation had a standard all parties involved complied and work began implementing the necessary parts and coding then I could see a fully autonomous road network in most major cities within 10-20 years. The hardest parts are the legislation and the infrastructure.

          • ace_9

            Yes, I’m just saying that’s different from an “autonomous vehicle”. You are talking about automated transport system. Of course, it would be complex, but essentially still a closed system with many limitations. Infrastructure to specifically support self-driving cars for me means, that the cars are not really autonomous.

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            Well how do you think autonomous systems are supposed to work?

          • ace_9

            Artificial intelligence and machine learning of course… That’s really autonomous for me. A train is not autonomously steering itself…

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            That may be what automation is to you but that’s not what automation is.

          • ace_9

            Ok, I will be straightforward… I was trying to gently suggest that you are the only one blinded by your “I’m the engineering manager and chief design engineer for an automation company.” attitude who incorrectly thinks that autonomous cars are about the complete infrastructure that will support some kind of automated personal transport vehicles. That’s not what autonomous vehicles should be. And it will never work that way. Autonomous cars must be able to drive in all environments and all conditions at least to the extent of human capabilities. Average human has two eyes, ears and some crude acceleration and vibration senses and that’s enough to drive vehicles quite well. Unless cars are capable of replicating at least average human capabilities, they are not really autonomous. Your way of pushing some kind of automatons with precisely mapped roads, car to car and car to road communication is laughable as an autonomous car concept… That’s precisely the thing that will never work globally.

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            So since you know more than me how do you think it will actually work? You claim you know better so please tell me how automation works.

            You gotta people will no experience in a field saying they know more because they said they do.

          • ace_9

            Autonomous cars need artificial intelligence, otherwise they would never work as well as humans. And that’s beyond a simple automation. So, stop talking about automation already… How many times do I have to say that AUTONOMOUS vehicle is not something working only in predetermined supporting environment.

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            May I ask, what is your profession?

          • ace_9

            No 🙂 Because you’re too judgmental. But I’m not pushing my field as the solution for autonomous cars. I don’t think a strictly deterministic systems can provide a good solution for everyone.

          • Stigasawuswrecks

            It’s not being judgemental. I’m not trying to be a jerk I’m just trying to tell you as someone with years of experience and a profession in automation that how you think somethingshould work and how it works in reality are two entirely different things. The entire system would need to work off of a 3D mapped system and car to cart infrastructure communications. Cadillac’s system is the best since it works off of a 3D mapped road network but in order for the system to truly work each car would need to communicate with each other the same way drivers on the road do.

          • Jay

            Except my question to you had nothing to do with cars. I’ll simplify it for you. The technology is there for a plane to be flown remotely or autonomously(somewhat), so why do YOU THINK that airlines are not using it?

      • EM1

        Ignorant? You’re ignorant for thinking that is sane to be a democrat.

  • Craig

    When I was a kid in the early 1970’s [I’m still a kid now of course!] there was talk of how a man was driving an RV, put the ‘cruise control’ on and went back to make himself a sandwich. It didn’t turn out well. THAT’S what I think about when I think ‘autonomous vehicles’.

  • Maximilian Norlande Rabbitt

    “Other innovations”
    That include our lighting limits? Call it a gimmick or whatever ya want, but I happen to like Audi’s lighting systems and welcome lighting among other things that other car companies make elsewhere but can’t bring here

  • Six_Tymes

    Ask UBER if it will work, oh wait, UBER already killed a pedestrian.

    • brn

      Human would have killed that lady too.

    • Perry F. Bruns

      That’s still a far cry from “never.” They probably won’t work in Trump’s lifetime, and that’s all that matters to him.

      • Cobrajet

        Not never could be mean millions of years.

        • Perry F. Bruns

          Not denying that. Millions of years is still not never. 😉

  • scjeff

    I used to think comb-overs would never work but after looking at The Donald…never mind.

  • Paul

    At least he’s not alone. I still think we’re a long ways off with lots and lots of kinks to work out yet.

  • LeStori

    Probably one of the only things he will be correct in saying. At least for the distant future. Current Inorganic Intelligence is too dumb to be comarable to Organic Intelligence . Organic Intelligence might not get it always right but considering its adapatability to a wide range of unpredicable circumstances, it make a laughing stock our Inorgnic Intelligence attempts . Maybe we need the Positronic brain not Chip brain.

  • tkindred

    Who cares. He’ll be gone soon enough. The trend towards automation began way before he became president and will continue after he is out of office. I have far more faith in engineers and specialist in the industry than some guy with zero knowledge in the field.

    • EM1

      4 more years…

  • I do understand this. If you are riding on the autonomous vehicle, and if the car hits someone by accident, you are the one who will be blamed. Not the manufacturer (unless you can hire the dream-team lawyers to fight at the court).

    • brn

      That’s what insurance is for. If autonomous vehicles are too risky, the insurance rates adjust appropriately.

      • Ten Count Toronto

        The manufacturers will tune the software to provoke at fault collisions by human drivers in order to skew the risk stats in their favor. It’s quite easy to draw someone into rear ending you if you really want to.

  • EM1

    We borrow democratic practices.

    • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

      no one cares.

      • EM1

        You are no king or dictator of social thought, bug of cream puff

        • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

          Don’t be mad because no one respected you as a man and treated you like a sissy.

          • EM1

            And you’re respected because you are democratic? You’re are real JOKE. We won soy boy! Get a life.

          • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

            I’m not even a liberal, you idiotic MAGA punk. This is the intelligence of your Republican party kid? You have a lot ahead of you to reach on my level. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

          • EM1

            You’re a liberal Marxist holigan narcissist mama’s boy pillow bitter. You’re level is on the bottom floor near the gutter.
            🤜🏻🤪

          • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

            *yawn* Your insults is as weak as a newborn baby. You need to try harder than that kid.

          • EM1

            Whatever, I get you to respond in anguish. Job done.

          • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

            And it’s doesn’t do a thing. Try again kid.

  • EM1
    • Adam

      Love how you conveniently left out the two wars that the previous Republican Bush Presidents presided over and all the deaths that occurred, but I wouldn’t expect anything else from a right-wing nut job 🤦🏻‍♂️

      • EM1

        What about what the Dems did to Japanese by putting them in camps under Roosevelt or the bombing of Japan?

  • Stigasawuswrecks

    The one thing I’ve learned in this comment section is that the vast majority of people have no clue about automation but feel they know everything about automation.

  • EM1
  • EM1
  • Alduin

    We should put all the Democrats in autonomous cars then hack the car so they drive off a cliff or a bridge.

    • EM1

      Please do so ASAP. They are destroying social values.

  • SteersUright

    Well, when you’ve got one foot in the grave it’s hard to look ahead at all the new-fangled tech that’s still to come.

  • DGC

    Well if that Picklehead says they won’t work, then they will…. I am now 100% behind Autonomous vehicles!

    • EM1

      The only Picklehead is Bernie.

  • EM1

    It seems you get trigged by just seeing pics of him. I love it.
    CNN is fake news.

    • scjeff

      Says the snowflake that has to post rebuttals to every message going against his orange hero. Count the posts in this thread alone and see who’s the one who got “trigged”.

  • Rzrlf

    these russian bots in the comments are viscous! goddamn

  • EM1

    Everything thing become racist from the Democrats. Don’t you remember Queen Mother Bee HRC stating all blacks look the same? And she’s the same person who stole from Haiti, a nation of blacks. And you know who started the KKK? Yep, Dems. And you know who David Duke now follows? I-hell Omar, a dem.

    • SteersUright

      You really need to check into a clinic and work through some of this.

      • EM1

        Why because I am against your stupid narrative? You can go first NPC troll.

  • Ten Count Toronto

    In order to keep their own liability low, and skew the collision stats in their favor, these things will slam on the brakes for every squirrel or frog crossing the road and every wind-blown paper bag or pizza box in situations which are totally counter-intuitive to a human drivers, leading to chaos behind them and drawing rear-end collisions.

    Other problems from this type of programming will happen when there is not the ability to make eye-contact, exchange gestures with another driver regarding intent or right of way.

    Certian types of people will soon take advantage of the defensive programming when they realize they can make the autonomous cars stop and surrender right-of-way under most circumstances.

  • EM1

    You see you have to keep on hitting me back. You’re the angry hate full all of the above person here. I’ll repost them again about O’clowna.

  • EM1
  • EM1

    Just keep looking at your mother.

    • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

      Stop talking about your mom like that, kid.

      • EM1

        I really feel sorry about your after what I did to her last night.

        • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

          @JohnCarscoop, it seems that you forgot to remove a disgusting weak gnat from this site. Lol don’t forget use the raid, while removing this racist troll from this site. Thanks

  • EM1

    Sorry, no choices left as your party is headed by an old women with a “wall” around her multimillion dollar home to keep out her “perspective voters”

    • HaltestelleLuitpolthafen

      My party?

      I’m not for any one party…

  • EM1
  • EM1
    • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

      -not only he’s an idiot, but also racist too.

      Wow, you’re just proving how incredible stupid you are. LMFAO

      • EM1

        And you’re not a racist? Making fun of a Mexican on your avatar. And you can’t even spell “the”, low IQ freak.
        Your mama’s wet nipple is dripping, suck on it!

        • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

          How is that making fun of mexican, when I’m one you slow American? You are honestly a disgusting racist weak troll with no IQ at all. You need to try harder and stop using weak insults to people and get a life.

  • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

    He’s an idiot. I bet his dad taught this little booger boy right here how to be idiotic and arrogant as him.

  • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

    I don’t like their hypocrisy. Really.

  • EM1

    Drink your soy milk.

  • Cobrajet

    He forgot to say, safely.

  • Cobrajet

    The cult of Tesla will come to attack you if say anything about autonomous-vehicles.

    • EL CHAPO THA GREAT

      I don’t have a problem with tesla, so what are you talking about?

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