Elon Musk Is Sending A Tesla Model S To The Nurburgring – Should The Porsche Taycan Worry?

Shortly after the official reveal of the Porsche Taycan, Elon Musk reacted to the news by questioning the German carmaker’s decision to call its electric car “Turbo”, while announcing that he will send a Tesla Model S to the Nurburgring in an attempt to beat the record lap time of the Taycan.

As usual, Tesla’s founder made both his comment and the announcement using his Twitter account, without providing further information about this upcoming visit on the Nurburgring.

Porsche’s decision to call the two fastest versions of the Taycan ‘Turbo’ has drawn criticism from a portion of the media and public, due to the lack of actual turbocharging and an ICE powertrain.

However, Porsche has indeed been using the ‘Turbo’ badge to simply signify the faster iterations of its models – including the 911, Macan, Cayenne and Panamera – despite the fact that almost its entire lineup is using turbocharged powertrains.

Whether you feel like Porsche’s choice of words is poor or not, the new Taycan is arguably one of the most impressive new cars of the year and one of the most important in the history of the German brand.

The range-topping Porsche Taycan Turbo S offers up to 750 HP (761 PS) and 774 lb-ft (1,050 Nm) of torque from its electric powertrain, making it capable of hitting 60 mph (96 km/h) in 2.6 seconds, with 0-124 mph (200km/h) possible in 10.6 seconds.

Energy is provided by a 93.4 kWh battery pack, allowing for a driving range of 256 miles (412 km) on the WLTP cycle. Perhaps more importantly, the new Taycan makes use of a 800-volt architecture – a first in the EV world – which allows it to hit its performance numbers with much greater consistency.

Thanks to its ability to retain a consistent performance, the Taycan managed to lap the Nurburgring in an impressive 7 minutes and 42 seconds and apparently Tesla isn’t going to leave this challenge unanswered.

It will certainly be interesting to see how are they going to tackle a full, flat-out lap of the 12.9-mile track, since the Model S reportedly has a tendency to overheat and go into reduced power mode when driven on even a normal-sized track.

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  • Ben

    Its not the Taycan’s performance Elon should be ‘worried’ about, but consumer preference. The more competition, even if inferior, usually results in lower amount of sales for the segment leader. Some people may just buy a Taycan because they don’t want to drive a Tesla anymore. They may want a Taycan only because its a Porsche or like the design better. The Taycan doesn’t need to be better than Tesla in order to siphon customers, however it does need to present advantages to stay economically feasible for VAG. Behavioral economics shows us people are willing to buy an ‘inferior’ product because….reasons. The more competition Tesla has, good or bad, is a bad thing to their bottom line.

    • MayTheBestCarWin05

      You’re right. Porsche decided that they didn’t have to be “better” than the Model S bc they know their brand has far more cachet.

      I think both cars (Model S and Taycan) are drop dead gorgeous, and the interior aware goes to Porsche. But I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed in the Taycan’s overall range and performance specs.

      • Ben

        Just as Porsche puts a premium on lighter and more power versions of its sports cars(RS), I’m sure the same approach will be taken with adding more range. Its a two step process, get people hooked on Taycan and then start adding more trims with better mileage.

        • Bronson Westlund

          But the Porsche is smaller and weighs more…

        • Bronson Westlund

          345 miles compared to 256, 2.4 compared to 2.6, $99,990 compared to $185,000.

          • Ben

            When I was in university, we had to determine how to slow the sales growth of a large competitor in a mock business challenge. The winning strategy was to not directly compete with a large company’s product. We defined profiles of product buyers, created a product that targeted a selected few needs of those buyers and won that overlap.

            Model S earners may earn $50k annually and while others may earn $1,750,000 annually. The Taycan is not directly a threat to Tesla’s “average” customer base, but its clipping into Tesla’s high-end customer base. In that customer base, the Porsche Taycan is arguably a “Tesla Killer”. You don’t have to compete with a product head on, just slightly.

            Essentially, if the Porsche is “too expensive”, it wasn’t for you in the first place. The product is catering to the high end market rather than those who need or seek value. The automotive industry if filled with examples of behavior economic choices. We choose cars based on preference, not because the absolute best measurements.

    • HD

      No. It’s a great thing, and there is plenty of space in the electric revolution. The more offers the better for us customers. I just wish they had started earlier and they would have better products. Maybe the VW ID3 will be good…

      • Ben

        Well yes, that’s my point, if there is more competition the probability of losing a customer goes up. Like you mentioned, its great for the consumer, but for Tesla, it means lost customers.

    • Stephen G

      Porsche produced 256k cars last year across a line of how many models? Up 4% over the previous year. Tesla produced 245K across 3 models and sales are up 33% over the previous year. Musk isn’t worried about anything.

      • Ben

        First rule of sales: Its not how much you sell, but how much you make per sale.

        • Stephen G

          So you rather sell one car and make 10K than sell two & make 7K each. I’d like to meet your accountant.

          • Ben

            You assume those are the numbers. What’s Tesla’s debt? What’s Porsche’s distribution over head? What rates are at play? How is the market turning for the market, but more importantly segment? To answer your question, I’d like to make whatever can give me a net profit. I’m not wide eyed with units sold, its the margin that matters.

  • Trust me , no one buys a Far-right car…No worries Elon.. We haven’t forget the 1940’s.

    • MayTheBestCarWin05

      **raises hand** What is a Far-right car?

      • i think he means Nazis, though i don’t know how modern porsche falls into that line here…

    • Rahul Mandala

      Far-Right car? Bringing politics into this I see. Tesla fanboys finding ways to trash the competition that’s significantly superior in the metrics that matters to consumers that shop in this segment. Keep living in the past, boomer. The things Tesla fanboys do to defend their tent-built Teslas is funny and astonishing. Yeah, keep telling that to yourself if it helps you sleep at night.

      • Jason Miller

        Nice use of all the generic come-back lines.

        /s

    • salamOOn
  • HaltestelleLuitpolthafen

    While the Tesla might be faster in a straight line, I don’t think Porsche has anything to worry about when it comes to track performance and handling.

    • Ben

      I think tires, more than in ICE vehicles, will matter more with EVs. So much weight, but such blistering deliver of torque and horsepower has got to be hell on those poor tires.

  • Belthronding

    um elon, this word autopilot does not mean you think it does

    • MayTheBestCarWin05

      Comment of the DAY!!! hahaha

    • salamOOn

      i wish that is the official response tweet from porsche 😀

      • Belthronding

        AMEN

    • Stephen G

      Neither does “Cruise Control” and as of late “Turbo”.

    • krusshall

      Which makes it okay for Porsche to misuse Turbo and Overboost?

      • Belthronding

        big fat no

  • one is a precision instrument built for speed and handling by a company that knows what it’s doing.

    the other is a 6 year old 2 1/2 ton lump of lithium and aluminum with a massive engine…

    this is probably not going to go well for the Tesla…

    • HD

      Then it’s pretty embarrassing that a “6 year old” car is outdoing a brand new one:

      Porsche Taycan Turbo S – 2.31 miles / kWh
      Audi e-tron 55 – 2.62 miles / kWh
      Tesla Model S Performance – 3.25 miles / kWh
      Tesla Model 3 Performance – 3.70 miles / kWh

    • MayTheBestCarWin05

      Tesla will be fine. They’re rolling out the Model Y here soon, and the Model 3 is one of the best selling luxury vehicles.

      • Matteo Tommasi

        Wrong.
        The model 3 isn’t a luxury vehicle, it only has the price of one.

        • MayTheBestCarWin05

          For proper context, can you share what your definition of a luxury car is?

          • Matteo Tommasi

            Consistently high build quality (lacks in Tesla), high quality materials (lacking in Tesla), excellent ergonomy (lacking in both, but worse in Tesla), enjoyable experience (NOT when the “Autopilot” slams into a concrete barrier).
            I could do with more precision, but this seems enough to me.

          • MayTheBestCarWin05

            The only thing you list here that is objectively synonymous with luxury is “high quality materials”.

            Everything else you listed is subjective at best…and honestly can be found in a Toyota Camry (high build quality, good ergonomics, enjoyable experience).

            Clearly you don’t like Tesla. And that’s fine. They deserve the mountain of critique the receive.

            But the Model 3 is absolutely a luxury car.

            The sophistication of technology in that vehicle can’t be found in ‘non luxury cars’. The electric range alone is luxury. The amenities. The giant screen that works just as good as any iPad. The bonkers performance 0-60 (performance variant). The design. The price (which I know you disagree means luxury). I could go on.

          • Matteo Tommasi

            The “sophisticated” tech of Tesla is inexistent. Electric motors are at their limit, and batteries are still the same inefficient lithium ones. The screen, as stated before, is the reverse of luxury: it’s hateful to use because you need to divert your attention from the road (non ergonomic -> not “premium”. Ask someone if they want to wear a golden Rolex with spikes on the inside).
            Also, performance isn’t a part of luxury. Rolls-Royce cars are boats to drive, for example.

          • MayTheBestCarWin05

            So by this logic…the Audi A8 isn’t a luxury car bc it doesn’t have buttons and too many screens??

            Ridiculous.

            Again. We get it. You don’t like Tesla. But to have some fabricated definition of what YOU think luxury “is” to make YOUR point that Tesla isn’t luxury is inconsistent.

            It’s okay if you don’t like Tesla…just don’t make up BS to sound like you are making some logical observation.

    • krusshall

      One is a company that has never before designed nor built an EV and one is a company that has designed multiple EVs and has built hundreds of thousands of them. All in the perspective.

    • Rick Alexander

      i guess you missed the part where the Taycan weighs 5,100 pounds. I love Porsches, however the Model S P100D is 200 pounds lighter, and has more power. I expect the Porsche to outhandle the S. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if Porsche is understating the Taycan’s true power output as they are known to do.

    • Bronson Westlund

      No one cares if a car can track for longer periods of time, funny though, the Model 3 performance can do that. Looks like that is the only spec that Porsche has over the Tesla, and it’s almost twice the price. Love how the Tesla haters won’t actually show what stats are better on the Porsche…..

  • Coup85

    I think is a little embarrassing to see the Tesla’s CEO acting like a child. They (Tesla) should be worried, not about the Taycan, or the Ring-time, but about real serious companies starting their own EV’s.

    • Jason Miller

      Might as well say the same for the rest of the media that’s echo’s his opinion.

    • Bronson Westlund

      The more EV’s on the market the better for Tesla. It gets people to trust electric vehicles and puts more buyers in the market for them. With Tesla having the best tech for EV’s, it’s a win win for them and other companies.

  • vanquishvantage

    For the price difference the Taycan should be a better car…..Elon joking about the names isn’t acting childish it’s what everyone is saying, that’s just silly to even say to be honest seems a bit pretentious? if the Model S loses the fact the Porsche costs so much more will make it a pointless argument the Model S has been tested time in and time out and has proven to be good performance car on track….and on the road. If the Model S does beat the Taycan it will beg the question why can’t the manufacturer of high priced(over priced?) Cars that has making performance cars for years beat a start up…and why does it cost so much….

    • Coup85

      I can’t disagree more, Porsche can not be beaten, because the Taycan is not a Model S contender. If Tesla starts a battle against Porsche, the world’s laureate racing car company, one of the best car manufacturers of the entire world, is going to lose. At the moment that some magazine puts the two cars next to each other, the Tesla is going to seem like a Chinese copy-cat compared with the Porsche, and I can tell you this after just a couple of minutes inside a 992 generation.

      Is time for Tesla to think about their leadership, in the next months we are going to see the first real round of german electric cars starting with the VW ID, followed by an entire offer that is going to come from a $200 billion company, and we are just talking about VAG, think on the rest.

      Tesla has been alone for almost 10 years while the rest of the manufactures ignored them (as a business strategy) and they could afford this some kind of crazy-maniac-twitter strategy because they were something new, and fresh, and they needed the publicity.

      Now the big boys are entering the market (for real) and Tesla can’t afford to have a CEO opening battles in twitter.

      (Sorry for my English, not my mother tongue)

  • SteersUright

    Why a big heavy model S? Why not also send a lighter, more agile Model 3 performance?
    Also, despite speed, the Tesla’s have absolutely nothing on the Taycan’s gorgeous interior and likely, I also suspect its superior handling and engagement. Plus, the Taycan looks cool. The Tesla’s, all of them, are ugly. Thats a big factor in the rich-person world of selecting new cars. Then again, The Taycan’s pricing is way too high. I guess we’ll have to see who comes out ahead.

    • Rick Alexander

      If the price of the Taycan seems too high, then you’re obviously not the demographic Porsche is targeting. As for the looks of Tesla cars, looks are obviously subjective. Personally I think the Model S looks just fine. I agree, that in comparison to a Model S, the Taycan (at least on paper) doesn’t seem to offer $80,000 more car. With that said, in relation to the rest of the Porsche lineup, the pricing isn’t unrealistic, and is definitely about right for what it is. An electric Porsche. If and when Tesla improves their build quality, improves the handling (which is already very good considerring weight) and refreshes the Model S aesthetic, even if Tesla adds 20 grand to the price, the Taycan will have a tough time promoting the Taycan as a Tesla killer. Let the games begin.

    • man

      Porsche has so much sports car heritage that gives momentum. The reason I am interested because Porsche tech will come to Audi-VW, which is realistic for me. I don’t think I could get a new Tesla or Porsche. The Model 3 did not work out because it was more 50k than 35k, but the quality seemed pretty awful, especially interior. It was a disappointment. I think Elon did it to hype the stock price.

  • mist

    He acts like a 3-year old.

    • this is not T rump..Lunatic…

      • PK

        mist ain’t lying.

    • Jason Miller

      A 3-year old genius.

  • Richard Alexander

    Porsche prints money. Tesla hemorrhages it.

    • Stephen G

      They’re not really printing it…they are stealing it from the addlebrained bourgeoisie.

      • Richard Alexander

        I have never boughht a Porsche but when I bought a Mercedes last year I had to sign in like 30 places…i imagine Porsche is the same. Can it really be theft if they have that many signatures?

        • Stephen G

          Case in point!

  • Coup85

    Because it wasn’t the time. At least here in Europe, the mayor electric car advertisers and defenders are not the manufacturers but the governments and social movements.

    And the society wants it now, and sorry but I don’t agree, there wasn’t any real intent on going fully-electric from any big car manufacture, indeed I think that was the major reason for Tesla’s success; the rest of automakers thought/bet about hybrid cars, high engine efficiency, instead of go for the fully electric, and on this time Tesla had the time of building their customer base because no one was offering any alternative. This is why I think people tolerated some-how the “imperfection” of Tesla’s cars.

    • HD

      Tesla is years ahead of the competition. I can prove this very easily:

      Porsche Taycan Turbo S – 2.31 miles / kWh
      Audi e-tron 55 – 2.62 miles / kWh
      Tesla Model S Performance – 3.25 miles / kWh
      Tesla Model 3 Performance – 3.70 miles / kWh

      This is not some small difference. This is gigantic, which is not a good thing, because we customers need close competition to get the best products.

      • Coup85

        Tel me more about that… Is not all about range.

        Driving, customer services, quality, equipment… Here in the EU the average daily travel is around 30km (18mi) per day, range is not going to be defining, or at least is not going to be the only thing customers are going to take in count.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/fb1fcba2137ae2af9c3d147d57390c143d9e3ab0dc9d361d5afe76cccd4d1458.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0f3890ff57a7e1933cea9142d42ae94af58266459dda21dbb727100d051997d9.jpg

        • HD

          I agree with you, but when a car is 1.5 times more expensive and its battery tech is inferior beyond comparison then there is a problem. I can’t see Porsche customers not caring that their real life range will be much less than of a Tesla, especially without having the vast network of chargers as Tesla has. Interior is nicer by far, but that is to be expected from a company with 10 times more experience in building cars.

          • Ben

            Arguably the largest hill with consumers Tesla had to climb is range anxiety, getting customers to believe they don’t need 450mi of range on tap just to travel to work and run a few errands. Tesla was somewhat successful in addressing range anxiety and now people may be okay with a 250mi range vehicle when they wouldn’t have been 5-6 years ago. Perfect for the Taycan.

            We’re judging a multi-billion dollar company’s first step in a long race to a small company that’s been doing this for nearly a decade and is at its limit. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter about the numbers, it matters what people want. If it were about the numbers, vehicles with most cargo capacity, headroom, MPG or horsepower would dominate the market, but we know that’s not true. People buy what they like because feelings rather than what’s technically the better offer.

          • HD

            Well yes, and this is where Tesla comes into the picture. I don’t know if you have ever owned a BMW, Merc or Audi, but when you go to the service and they tell you to pay couple of hundred dollars to install a software update and then you ask what it does to the car they say not much really – then you start appreciating what Tesla does. It gives you free meaningful updates all the time. This is what I expect from a modern company, so screw those outdated car manufacturers. We both know that Tesla became famous of burning hypercars in drag races, and clever little features that nobody has. From huge front trunks to playing games on the screen while your car charges.

            I don’t agree at all that Tesla is at the limit. They increase the battery efficiency each year, they improve the interiors and the general quality of their cars. Also take into consideration that Tesla has not only the biggest battery manufacturing in the world but the best chemistry as well. How do you think anybody will be able to compete with that in the coming years? This is why Tesla is not profitable, they invested a lot, and soon it will pay off.

          • Ben

            You are correct, but I feel like we’re looking at this from two different perspectives. You hit the nail on the head, Tesla became famous with innovations the platform allowed, not specifically the company. Electric vehicles have been roasting ICE vehicle on the drag strip before Elon created Tesla. Being an EV allows for a large frunk. These are not Tesla specific innovations, but a result of an EV in general.

            I should have clarified about Tesla being at their limit. You and I agreed that Tesla gained fame due to what an EV could do rather than specifically they could do. Example:
            +Quiet interior = Natural result of EV
            +Quick 0-60 = Natural result of EV
            +Frunk space = Natural result of EV
            + Automated vehicle routines(drive by wire) = Natural result of EV

            People believe that Tesla is the only one able have “Auto Pilot” due to engineering. But look at the hardware, its in nearly all ICE vehicles in it’s segment. Larger companies don’t want the legal trouble that goes with “Auto Pilot”. Its not that they’re incapable of the same level of autonomous driving.

          • woll3

            TBH this is just the usual comparison of nimbleness when it comes to big vs small companies and the way things are done, the timing needs to be right to justify major transitions, and lets not forget that Tesla is still leaking money to this day, and there are still no models for the general populace. Its(and Musks) antics bring Tesla constantly in the news, but ultimately Renault-Nissan and smaller local business spread over the globe have done more for EV acceptance than their pretentious Tabletdragsters. But regardless, the big question is if what their planned niche is once EV’s are mainstream.

            That aside, you cant expect the big companies to just jump in when the Infrastructure isnt there, sure you could just build your own, but having ten adapters and possible incompatibilites would just discourage buyers, and working together on projects and standards takes time. Then also the challenges of charging in urban areas need to be overcome as, but i dont want to drone on.
            Point is that just manufacturing EV’s as soon and as fast as possible isnt a solution, once the widespread adoption makes sense, then further research will be put into.

          • Ben

            You echo a lot of my sentiments. The days of having an advantage due to a quick accelerating vehicle, a frunk and long range are numbered. When the big companies such as VAG, GM and other large groups get involved we may see a large expansion of charging grids.

            Things move slower at the top as they say, but when they do move, its like an avalanche. The time it took Tesla to develop their charging station network could be cut in half by a join effort of the automotive elite. This is just how business works. Small businesses get the jump, take the brunt of adapting new technology to current bias and then the big boys come in when it’s fiscally “safe” and squeeze the small business out.

          • HD

            Wrong. None of the mass produced EV’s have such rapid acceleration (think of Bolt, Leaf, i3, e-tron etc), Tesla is the leader by far. None of them have a charging network of their own, I cannot stress this enough. This is number one reason to buy a Tesla for many. Nobody wants to test different charging stations with different power and see how they work. Tesla superchargers just work and they are all over the place. Also Tesla has done the most work and experience with autonomous driving. It’s not by accident that they have the most advanced system, no matter how it’s called. Just test it or watch video comparisons. Lastly, most EV’s do not have frunks. The ones that actually have are tiny. So no, this is not a direct result of being an EV. This is simply a well designed architecture. Why is it so hard to give credits where its due? Tesla is leading the EV revolution, this is a fact. All companies copy them by now, no matter how well established they are. No new EV is being published without a Tesla reference.

          • Ben

            Again, we are both right, but there is a bit of apples and oranges in our debate here. Yes, the Model S and Model 3 are quicker than the Bolt, Leaf and i3, but they aren’t competitors with either Tesla. Its like saying Toyota’s Camry has more pickup and Honda’s Civic. True, but not the correct comparison. I’m saying an electric vehicle will nearly always accelerate faster than ICE vehicles in its segment. The Model 3 isn’t in the same segment as the Leaf.

            I don’t have a hard time giving credit to where it is due. I’ve said many times, while selecting the Taycan as superior, that it has the opportunities it does thanks to Tesla’s effort to change cultural perception of EVs. I’ve said that. But again, we’re talking apples and oranges. You’re saying Telsa has a bigger frunk, while I’m saying being an EV allows vehicles to have a frunk, its the platform that allows these ‘advances’ to be made, not Tesla specifically. The same goes with acceleration. Tesla accelerates faster because its in a different segment, thus puts more focus on acceleration.

            Lastly, I agree, on the user market, Tesla’s autopilot is the most aggressive form of autonomous driving. However, what I’m saying is this doesn’t mean Tesla is the most advanced in that department. A perfect example would be Toyota and horsepower per liter, which is usually very low relative to other automakers. Does this mean Toyota cannot make a powerful, but small engine? No, the LFA proved that. However, it shows restraint. Look at the legal and social pressure that has come with autopilot. A small company can afford to loosen its tie, a few stories like that with Mercedes or GM might be more damaging to their brand than it is with Tesla.

            We are on the same page here, but we’re talking slight apples and oranges. I don’t refute anything of what you say, but only the perspective. At the end of the day, its just opinions. You comment here frequently as do I. Sometimes were agree and sometimes we don’t be we’re always respectful.

          • Bronson Westlund

            Only someone that likes the vehicle with worse specs will say it’s not about the numbers lol Tesla is at it’s limits? please explain that one..

            Base Specs for the Roadster
            Acceleration 0-60 mph. 1.9 sec.
            Acceleration 0-100 mph. 4.2 sec.
            Acceleration 1/4 mile. 8.8 sec.
            Range 620 miles

            Look at those limits

          • Ben

            Firstly, I was talking about as a company, production and fiscally. They can expand as much as they’d like, but if your margins aren’t expanding you’re only building delayed debt.

            Second, I don’t look at projections as base and fact. The roadster would be a nice bit of engineering, but until we see customers taking delivery of vehicles with the same performance, its fairy dust. That goes for ANY automaker.

        • Bronson Westlund

          Why do all ICE lovers always complain about range then!? Because it does matter, and its pretty pathetic that the Porsche’s top performance model only gets 256 miles of range while the top Model S gets 345. That is a big difference and it does matter. It just shows how less efficient the Porsche is. The Model S is 35% more efficient than the Porsche, that’s a huge difference!!

  • Jay

    As far as lap times goes, Porsche has absolutely nothing to worry about. Same goes for reliability. Not only does the Taycan look better it but it’ll most like drive a lot better too.

  • designer_dick

    Last time Tesla built a ‘racing’ Model S, it was 1,100lbs lighter than the standard car, and still couldn’t manage to complete more than a lap and a half of a much shorter circuit before the battery overheated and started to lose power. Porsche has nothing to worry about.

    • Stephen G

      Interesting…how well did the Taycan do against the Tesla then?

    • HD

      Model 3 has track mode and it does battery management to keep the temperature always right. There are videos of it doing racing for 30 mins easily. I bet Elon will send the Model S with the Model 3 tech.

      • Steve Winslow

        They added the model 3 motors to the S recently, but I think the battery tech is still old. They need to update the model S already. What Elon should do is send the model 3 performance.

  • Stephen G

    That is true. Chrysler still associated with the minivan even though they don’t build the best example on the market.

  • Stephen G

    Maybe Tesla will send a Roadster instead? Just to make it more fair: new car against new car rather than an old car against a new car.

  • LJ

    I’ll take the Model S with the Porsche’s interior.

    • Richard Alexander

      That interior is WAY too beautiful to be destroyed in a fire….

      • Ben

        oohhhh…I see what you did there, sneaky Richard.

  • Mr. EP9

    It would be interesting to see an upset, but Porsche isn’t easy to beat. I don’t think they have much to worry about considering they pretty much own the Nurburgring at this point. Still though, maybe Tesla will surprise us.

  • Aeromann

    Well said Elon! 😂

  • EyalN

    The funniest replay to Must’s tweet https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/69ee75a7b158eb1a94b4741ee6bc468c73b890c7ee8d05b14a7e166e818f8f6b.jpg

    You can compare bank accounts between Tesla and Porsche, one of them is doing it right

    • Steve Winslow

      Porsche market cap = $20.25B
      Tesla market cap = $40.8B

      Good point, EyaIN.

      • Steve Winslow

        Tesla is worth twice as much despite selling cars for half as much, while still being better in almost every way.

        Did you read Elon’s reply to that tweet? Do you know what autopilot means? It’s an appropriate name.

      • man

        VW group has real assets, not some inflated stock market valuation that could drop in day with some bad tweets. Porsche is just a high end leader, but the tech will be vertically integrated across Audi and VW. It always has been. I like Elon and Tesla, but the Model 3 was essentially a stock scheme rather than doing the hard work to layout a new infrastructure. He needed to be more Tim Cook like.

        • Steve Winslow

          Yeah, gigafactory isn’t a real asset. Tesla’s brand isn’t an asset. Selling more cars than porsche in the first half of this year is no big deal for a relatively new auto company. Tesla should definitely just stockpile cash, like Tim Cook, instead of re-investing their earning in order to grow and improve. /s

          • man

            The bread and butter sales are going to be with VW group, not just Porsche. That was my angle on it. Tesla hasn’t shown consistent quality or discipline.

  • longhorn69

    The Ring has stated they have not heard from Tesla, and do not have slots to reserve for them next week. Per Car and Driver.

  • Matteo Tommasi

    The Tesla will go in protection mode before Flugplatz, at late before the first gravel trap.

  • CUE THE TESLA BASHERS, 3, 2, 1…

  • Bronson Westlund

    Funny how Porsche thinks they made new technology with the Taycan being able to be pushed over and over…. The model 3 performance can do just that, the Model S just hasn’t received the new batteries and platform yet. I could see Elon bring the new Roadster and just demolish that time!

    • Mynameis Taylor

      Porsche doesn’t think the made new technology

  • Suge19

    waiting for Taycan Turbo GT3 RS ….hummm

  • Suge19

    Tesla is cheaper & faster, but less pride

  • Haywood Jablowme

    I am beating my meat like it owes me money.

  • Ben

    No, I have not seen the claimed numbers verified by an independent source with a vehicle sold to and owned by a private owner. If you have, cite it in your response please. I think branding means less to me than it does for you. I don’t care or attack Tesla because of…reasons. I’m only looking at it from a business standpoint when referring to their rapid expansion and the impending segment competition from larger manufactures. Saying more competition won’t hurt Tesla is just clearly false. Competition no matter how strong or weak hurts the bottom line. Its just a brand, don’t fall in love with it.

  • Ben

    Why so defensive of a single brand rather than be a welcoming consumer to a larger segment and market of EV competition, good or bad? I just don’t understand the sense of brand loyalty that some have for a single brand. If you want Tesla and EVs in general to improve, you should rejoice each time an EV enters the market. If you prefer Tesla, say it. But to say that another EV entering the market is essentially useless and won’t “hurt” Tesla in anyway is foolishness.

    There are people who can afford a six figure vehicle, enjoy an EV and want something else than a Tesla. That is the target customer Porsche has selected. Not everything is an either or. There are enough people who the Porsche may appeal to rather than a Tesla. There is a high end to EVs and a low end, Porsche just made their claim for the high end customer.

  • Ben

    Yes, Bronson, I have driven and been a passenger in a Tesla performance model, it was cool. However, I don’t own one. I’m not saying “Now that Porsche is here, Tesla is DONE BRO!!!” I’m only stating that Porsche is clearly going after the high end market of EV buyers that have the money and desire to buy something else besides a Tesla like everyone else interest in EVs.

    Again, in a particular segment with a particular consumer, Porsche may take over were Tesla has once dominated, thus being a “Tesla killer” for that consumer base of Tesla. This is just simple behavioral economics. People don’t buy vehicles because of numbers on a spread sheet. They buy what they like even if it has less range and is more expensive. That’s just how the industry and economy works.

  • Jay

    Yes we know the Tesla is cheaper. The thing is, it’s a fairly new auto maker and Porsche has been around for quite some time so many would rather have that.

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