OMG, 2020 BMW M3 & M4 Really Do Have A Massive Grille And This Is It!

Back in September at the 2019 Frankfurt Motor Show, BMW shocked its fans by unveiling a car whose front end was not only uncharacteristic for the brand, but also the exact opposite of understated.

It was called the Concept 4, and its kidney grille was considerably larger than even that of the latest 7-Series facelift or the X7. Now, it looks quite likely that this new and gigantic grille will make its way onto the 2020 M3, and probably the M4 too.

Say it ain’t so

Oh, it be so. This latest G80 M3 image comes from the same source that spotted the car’s undisguised rear end a few days ago, and went on to post all the images on Bimmerpost.

So while a fake is never out of the question until the very unveiling of a car (or at least a leaked release), this image of the front end seems legit to us, especially since it matches not only the Concept 4’s design philosophy, but also that scoop we brought you earlier this month, where a fully camouflaged G80 M3 was trying really hard to hide its tall nose.

Now, since the grille is completely different and more pronounced, the headlight design is different too – sharper, similar to the Concept 4’s.

BMW’s Concept 4 study from the Frankfurt Motor Show

I’m sad now

Don’t be, because the good thing about a brand new M3 coming out is the performance. While it likely won’t put the same smile on your face as the iconic E46 M3, the all-new 2020 model will surely be the best overall iteration of the nameplate, which means it will also be the fastest.

Power will reportedly come from the same 3.0-liter TwinPower Turbo six-cylinder unit found in the X3 M and X4 M crossovers. According to BMW M boss Markus Flasch, the base M3 will put down 473 HP (480 PS), while the Competition model will manage 503 HP (510 PS).

The G80 M3 is expected to make its public debut in mid-2020.

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Image credits Bimmerpost / Evolve

  • Dredd2

    i have to vomit

    • john1168

      I’m there with you. It’s like that scene from Family Guy where they’re all around throwing their guts up after drinking epicak.

  • Honda NSX-R

    *Luxury car makers coming out with large and sometimes obnoxious grilles*
    BMW: Hold my kidneys

  • Joe

    This is perhaps my least favourite design element on any vehicle I can think of.

    • kello3000

      It was always going to be hard to beat the Aztek, but congratulations BMW, you finally did it!

  • Jason Miller

    First of all, someone is losing their job soon.

    Second, WTF BMW.

  • alexxx

    I thought this was impossible,but…
    No way…
    This is horrible…

  • Axiom Ethos

    That is gnarly. With a company as prestigious as BMW, you’d think they’d have a better design team. But I guess they’re all drinking the kool-aid thinking the bigger the grille the better.

  • Nordschleife

    It’s just polarizing because it is new. Once you see enough of them it will be old hat and you all can be annoyed at their next evolution of design.

    • NoMan2015

      Just because you can get used to something doesn’t mean it doesn’t also continue to be objectively ugly.

      • Mr. EP9

        Exactly. Look at what Honda did to the Civic Type R. That’s still ugly no matter how long it has been on the market.

      • Nordschleife

        So clearly you are forming a reply without comprehending what I wrote. I never said you had to like it. But upon seeing it regularly you will get used to it. Those terms are not mutually exclusive and can completely coexist. There are lots of thing I don’t like but I am neither shocked or impressed by them because I am used to seeing them.

      • Dennis Scipio

        It’s a subjective opinion, not an outright fact.

        • NoMan2015

          Fair point – I shouldn’t have put “objectively” in my reply in the manner that I did.

  • enthusia

    Remember when all those BMW stans ridiculed every other automaker for hopping on the massive grille trend?
    I have to laugh!

  • Christian Wimmer

    Those grilles would make awesome BBQ grilling platforms. I’ll have my steak medium rare, please…

  • Julien Lachemoi

    I find this hilarious.
    Way to make the classics BMW short up in value.

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  • paulgdeaton

    No more “kidney” grilles.

    Now a kidney…. infection…

    • ZYGIUS

      Lungs grille era

  • john1168

    Buh bee a buh bee a buh bee a THATS ALL FOLKS!??? (Bugs Bunny reference)

    So, all that horse $h!t earlier with BMW just trying to find out what people thought and it being a POSSIBLE design direction…. They had already decided and in reality nobody really had any say. Maybe they just wanted to brace everyone for how ugly it was gonna be.

    Question: Did BMW hire any Chevy Camaro designers lately because the ugly is spreading…

    • Emoto

      The Camaro is better looking than this car, which I dub Nostrildamus.

  • willhaven


  • heheheheheheheheeeee

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  • atomicbri

    I’m going to go up a “kidney ureter” and say maybe BMW is trying to pay homage to coupes of its past??

    • Matt

      Agreed. People seem to forget, or have no knowledge the brand’s history. They think the first BMW was the E30.

      • William

        The outcry has nothing to do with ignorance. Just look at the thing!

      • atomicbri

        Now I am not saying this new M3/M4 grille is the best looking by far, but I know it’s not the first time BMW has had large kidney grilles. Also I really like the 328 Hommage grille but they never did anything with that.

        • Tumbi Mtika

          THANK YOU!

          THAT looks good! The thing above is awful! You can do big grilles without making them ugly as sin!

    • AMG44

      Yes but those are not modern cars. Roof-less, door-less ancient designs. Just lifting and dropping those huge kidney grilles of yesteryears to today’s designs doesn’t work.

  • Nastinupe1911

    I don’t hate it. I need to see it in person. BMW needs to do something different.

    • matrem

      Something different shouldn’t mean something irredeemably ugly.

  • Chaitanya Pise

    Looks like the structure you see when you remove the front grill for repairs

  • Rivaldo

    Fortunately, there is Alpina B3, on the other hand, I want to see M3 in person.

  • matrem

    There will be an emergency redesign. Then and BMW will eat crow.

    • Marc Gruben

      With that big ugly mouth, BMW will be at the all-you-can-eat Crow bar

  • TheBelltower

    Fake vents, fake engine sounds, now this. I was hoping the new CEO would bring back a level of authenticity and confidence that’s been missing from BMW. This seems pathetic and desperate.

    • This car was designed 3-4 years ago, a new CEO won’t just cancel a car and start over

      • TheBelltower

        He should absolutely stop this grille from happening. It’s a plastic component, and doesn’t have the same sort of development and tooling lead time as the overall platform.

        • It’s absolutely not just a plastic component. There are so many factors when designing a front bumper that it would take bmw a solid year to change it, everything under this bumper is catered to it. So, design, 3d model, clay, aerodynamics, cooling, crash bar, crash test, pedestrian safety, radar, parking sensors and I probably forgot more stuff. And the cost of a completely new tooling for all these parts… No way. Also you would need to change the 4 series facia, the M sport version and the M version, 3 bumpers. A facelift development time is about 2 years, and this would be pretty much the same

          • TheBelltower

            Perhaps you’re right… it doesn’t really matter. The reality is, this awful mug is happening on Harald Kruger’s watch. He’s only just gotten there, and this will stick to his legacy like gum on his shoe on a hot day. He would be well respected to make sure this doesn’t happen. Even if it delays things for a couple months.

          • Knotmyrealname

            The man knows what he is talking about.
            But as I said, a new fascia will be rushed through. They have all the interfaces in CAD and I dare say they are already a few steps into the new fascia.You’ll see a new one on the road (a prototype under camo) by Summer next year.

      • Six_Tymes


        but could if they really wanted to, and they should. If this is the real thing, then all hope is lost with bmw’s designers. and would explain why so many good ones left the company over the past 5 years or so.

  • Mi Lito

    Looks the same

  • Mi Lito
    • Dennis Scipio


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  • AMG44

    And i thought X7 kidney grille size will be the limit. That M3/M4 kidney grille is a tragedy.

  • charlotteharry57

    That looks absolutely ridiculous. But, BMW is doing it on purpose just to get these reactions.

  • MarkoS

    All be it large, it is actually a return the kidney grille. I have thought it has become to wide for some time. If this execution is it, I don’t know, it will be interesting to check it out when it is released. BMW is at least starting to show some variation.

  • Richie Rich

    I’d rather have a Pontiac Aztek. In yellow.

    • Marc Gruben

      Hell, I’d rather have an Edsel

  • It will look fine with an EU license plate, it will break the grille visually in half and leave normal sized openings.

  • B.Stokes

    If this is true, BMW is going downhill fast

  • botornot387

    Who is the new Bangle?

  • sidewaysspin

    BMW likes to shock since the Bangle days, but in a sports car it doesn’t look that bad.


    Waiting for new design language from BMW “Lungs grill “ introduction

  • HaltestelleLuitpolthafen
    • Ben

      Liked out of respect for Bubbles.

  • KidRed

    OMG that’s horrible. WHY!!?!!?!

  • no25

    Where is this @getoffme guy? You said to come back when it’s showcased. Here I am. You were wrong. No surprise there.

    • Zandit75

      Well, technically it doesn’t look like the concept…..

      • no25

        He was referring to the hood-to-floor grille, bud.

        • Zandit75

          So was I. They are very different to each other in appearance.

          • no25

            Okay, let me rephrase for the THIRD time bc you’re too much of an idiot to understand what I mean. He was referring to the fact that it is a hood-to-floor grille. He was implying that BMW was going to change it. Now get off my case. Damn.

          • Zandit75

            You’re the only one getting worked up about this, calling people idiots.
            I’m just pointing out where your assumptions are wrong.
            Now it’s up to you to figure out which ones I’m referring to!!

          • no25

            LOL you’re the one who went out of your way to make yourself look like a fool. Stop trying to defend this guy. At the end of the day, this vehicle is HIDEOUS.

          • Zandit75

            Considering none of us have seen it apart from these poor quality spy shots, how about you reserve your judgement until we see it in the flesh.

    • Astonman

      Some people do see cars before they’re available for market. These people can be in the industry or work within the respective companies and can’t say or take pictures. Some are invited to car clinics and they lock your phone in a locker. I had to do it for the new Corvette when it was in the interior stage of the vehicle. For the Aston Martin DBX, I had to sign some paperwork and had my phone in a special bag that had a special electronic lock that only can be released by them.

      • no25

        Good for you. Didn’t ask. I am saying that this guy claimed he saw the new 4 Series and claimed the grille wouldn’t be like the concept and he was clearly wrong. So, no he did NOT see the real thing.

        • Astonman

          You must be from New York

        • Astonman

          You must be from New York or Boston

    • Ben
    • Knotmyrealname

      Is he talking about the 4 series or the M4? I feel these ugly-as-sin grilles are thankfully only going to be used to destroy the looks of the M cars.

  • Porkopolis

    BMW as a brand has gone full Chinese. Never go full Chinese…

  • Tinky-Winky
    • Six_Tymes


  • Ben

    Went from kidney grills to coffins.

    • Arct1c

      which this brand will be in if they don’t get their act together.

  • Mr. EP9

    I’m not so sure if this is the production car, but if it is…….Well, BMW f%&#ed up really badly.

    • Tumbi Mtika

      I am so, so unbelievably angry.

  • jason wu

    LOL. What do future products of Iphone and BMW have in common? (hint: expensive, ugly, and people will still buy them no matter what)

    • JRP

      And they still looks the same and do the same after every update.

  • Seats & a steering wheel

    Audi and dare I say Lexus really make their big front grilles work… but this BMW version looks like two gigantic walrus teeth.

  • Subi-Rubicon1

    I actually think it looks alright and much better than what Lexus did to their grill and what most Luxury brands are doing. Everyone has oddly shaped and giant grills. Except Tesla, they don’t have grills. ???

    • Seats & a steering wheel

      Looks better than the Lexus grille? LOL The spindle grille flows with the rest of the car’s front end esp in the latest mild facelift iterations of the NX, RX, RC and of course the LC. It blends with the sharp head light designs and overall look of the car. These big vertical BNW ‘walrus teeth’ seem totally at odds with the sleek horizontal headlights and looks like pure shock value.

    • Arct1c

      HAHAHAH you’re a joke! Better than the Lexus grille? Are you kidding? What an IDIOT.

      • Subi-Rubicon1

        It’s my opinion. You have yours. No need to be disrespectful.

        • Arct1c

          Yes, you’re entitled to your wrong opinion, hun. You’re right.

    • TheBelltower

      Lexus is bad. This is worse.

  • Stephen G

    The “spy shot” is not all that clear. But even though the article says the grille is bigger, it doesn’t look as controversial as the concept. It’s seems more understated (than the concept). Removing the “nose ring” and minimizing the “mouth” under it seems to make the facia more cohesive. Could this be a first for the industry…a production model that looks better than the concept?!

    • no25

      No. There are many cars that have looked better than the concept.

      • Stephen G

        I am not aware of any. Could you give an example.

        • no25

          Lexus LC is IDENTICAL to the LF-LC concept, but what they changed to be production-like is a lot better than the concept such as the mesh in the grille.

          • Stephen G

            The LF-LC and the LC are drop dead gorgeous automobiles. But since they are identical as you say, then the production model is not better looking than the concept.

          • no25

            You didn’t even read what I said. But whatever.

  • Denzel

    For the people that don’t like it and who live in places that require a front license plate. It will look like the grill is split unless they have to off center it like Alfa Romeos.

  • Rocket

    Another premium brand goes shock and awe (ful).

  • I think its the M4…

  • Oscar Cereijo

    I find a little suspicious that this grill has no frame and that BMW has never used horizontal lines inside the kidneys… this might be a fake photo.

    On the other hand, brands usually take risks with new designs so I welcome BMW’s boldness and don’t forget that in some markets like big grills.

  • SnakePlant

    Put a V8 in it and I wouldn’t mind one. But, all that cooling for a baby 6? HA no thanks.
    It does look good and it looks just like the E30 m3, but instead of stretching horizontally, they went vertical. That’s all.

  • boo boo the fool

    I like it a lot

  • Bo Hanan

    BMW lost they damn mind.

  • brn

    Didn’t hurt Toyota / Lexus sales.

  • ErnieB

    Revolutionary.. hahahahahahah

  • MarketAndChurch

    I prefer the mesh grille of the concept, but it might look good if the rest of the car is as extreme as the grille is.

  • Charles Chin

    So what? the last F80 M3 production units only about 35,000. They dont sell millions of units of these.

  • Nowan

    maybe that big grille is for better aerodynamic HAHA

    • Some ol’ bloke

      Nope – better intakes but it is mainly catered to the asian market and primarily china

  • Six_Tymes

    that looks so dumb.

    • Alduin

      Imagine the kidney grilles sideways lol.

  • PK

    dammit bmw!!!! -_-

  • Alduin

    Awful design language BMW. Whereas some automakers are making their logos and badges even bigger BMW takes it up a notch and goes a step further buy making the GRILLES bigger. I feel like it’s a battle of who can come up and win the biggest badge/logo or grille competition.

  • Thetruthísntalwayspopular

    I get the desire to be bold, but whichever way you look at it, this simply isn’t very attractive. I see an early facelift coming Camaro style.

  • Craig

    Blame Lexus. And blame yourselves too. You shouldn’t have shamed Lexus for being boring. Just look at what you’ve done! Now even BMW has gone grill-crazy.

  • john1168

    I would bet that BMW already has an alternate front grille design, already designed and maybe built, tested and ready to go, just in case sales tank with this design. Camaro did the same thing with its latest redo of its front end. The redesign came very quick because it was already done (it was repaint the front bumper and move the bow tie up so there wasn’t much to change).

  • Kash

    I know I’m alone when I say this, but this looks interesting and even kinda good. The new 7 is ugly as hell though and I think the problem is that the grille on the 7 is wide and tall so it’s not just too tall or too wide, it’s just over sized to a point of caricature where this is just tall, which is mostly how Audi and Lexus do their grilles. Audi does it wide in the middle but tapers out to the top and bottom and Lexus does the opposite of Audi. This follows Audi but the widest point is lower and it looks like it flares out more on the supposed production model than the concept. I’m also glad that BMW is changing things up. I appreciate them trying to do something different like Lexus and even Audi have done, Mercedes has even tried playing with their grilles and has created some very nice looking ones from the Panamericana to the Diamond, to the attention grabbing Maybach grille on the S-class. BMW design was getting stagnant, its been several rounds of evolutionary and nothing revolutionary, and I think BMW is attributing that to their lack of sales. Merc went left field with the E, GLE, GLS, and CLS and I see them everywhere, I’m hardly seeing the new X5’s, 5’s or even 3’s for that matter rolling around, lots of previous gen models though, and I’ve been seeing more of the last gens rolling around with paper tags on them.

    I’m actually excited for a BMW debut and I haven’t said that in years. I even like the colored diffuser. If BMW is smart they’ll do like Porsche and offer to paint it in a deviating exterior color so you could do something like a black body with Marina blue, or even Austin Yellow, diffuser, handles, and calipers from the factory and have some fun with the M3/M4 design wise right off the bat. We’ve gotten to the point where the M3/M4 need to be more than just good driving machines and need to have personality and flare and some strong lines that can rock the bright colors that people wanna wrap them in or have good designs that can be broken up with pattern wraps and be able to rock the stain black roof wraps with matte black body and gloss black accents and such, the C63 can’t do patterns, but it can do any color you throw on it and still look good. These are things people are looking at when they buy these cars now, the visual mods they can do to make theirs stand out at their weekly cars and coffee. That massive grille has so much potential for visual mods too. BMW would also be smart to offer some different insert designs for it instead of just traditional slats. The M340 has a really nice grille insert design.

  • Puddingpopper

    the truth is so hurty

  • Craig

    I’ll grant that it’s likely to be the new m4 and 4series styling but there’s no way that the M3 would have such a massive styling difference from the regular 3series.

    Look at the styling around the lights and the lower grilles… No way that’s a 3

    • lapirk

      The m3 always uses the front end of the m4/4series and never the regular 3

      • Craig

        Mate there’s only ever been one m4 or 4 series… So the always uses argument is a bit null and void. Also having owned both they definitely don’t have the same front ends

  • lapirk

    I’ll save my judgment for the official reveal. Can’t be that bad..

  • Giziclown

    It’s not a shark, it is a catfish.?

  • Mynameis Taylor

    i like it.. i’m probably one of the few that think it looks cool and distinctive

  • Crash Bandicoot

    It’s not even fake chrome! How are the realtors supposed to know which one to get?

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