Second-Gen Toyota 86/Subaru BRZ Due For 2021 With New Engine

With the Toyota 86 and sister model Subaru BRZ turning six years old, it’s clear that they are approaching the end of their lives.

Naturally, this means that Toyota and Subaru are already considering a successor, which, according to JapanTimes, might debut around 2021.

Citing undisclosed sources, the publication says that the new Toyota 86 and Subaru BRZ will see the engine’s displacement increase from the current 2.0-liters to 2.4. This obviously means more power, although exactly how much, or whether it will be a naturally aspirated or a forced induction unit, is not clear.

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The replacements to the two sports cars are said to get an even lower center of gravity for improved cornering performance.

Elsewhere, we expect the second generation to packed with the latest driving assistance systems, including the now-mandatory in Europe eCall, a system that contacts the emergency services in the event of a serious crash.

A new infotainment system should be offered as well, and the design of the interior should improve over the current iteration, which has been often criticized not only for not offering a more powerful version, but for the materials used in the dashboard, too.

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  • Dr Strangefingger

    A more powerful engine couldn’t come soon enough.

    • Benjamin B.

      STI version?

  • LWOAP

    I’m guess they’ll go up to about 220hp with the new engine. Can’t have them getting too close the the halo models like the Supra and WRX STI. I’m convinced the STI will still be fooling around the 300hp mark three years from now.

    • cargeniuass

      I’m thinking they’ll aim closer to 250 which will put it in the neighborhood of the focus st, gti, wrx which are its main competitors pricing and class wise. You can’t really compare it to the muscle car segment because its really lacking behind the base mustang, camaro. 250 hp would make it a lot closer to those but still be lagging a bit.

      • LWOAP

        I don’t see them doing that. I strongly doubt Subaru will let the BRZ compete with the WRX.

        • Kyle Newberry

          Better update the WRX then!

          • LWOAP

            Hopefully they do that.

  • Craig

    It is not a car that I care that much for. If the Subaru version was AWD that would have changed things. [For me at least]

    • cargeniuass

      Yeah, a heavier AWD drivetrain would’ve made the 200 hp flat 4 perform “better” -_-

      • Craig

        In the rain and snow it sure in hell would ‘perform better’.

  • panda-R

    2021? Minivans will have 400HP by then. I hope the bean counters don’t give us another FA20 debacle.

    • khc

      I’d guess, as with Honda’s boosting the former Civic Si from 2.0 to 2.4 liters, it will likely bring more torque at lower revs, rather than increased horsepower.

  • Andrew Riles

    Happy to be proven wrong, but I’d be very surprised if they increase the displacement and fit a turbo…..so my guess is its an NA unit if the news is correct about the new engine being 2.4L….

  • If it’s true someone need to give Toyobaru a kudos for continuing this car, which albeit popular. It’s rather slow selling car.

  • Wandering_Spirit

    250 would be fine.

  • Jason Miller

    If they keep the engine they have and add a turbo they’ll sell way more than just increasing the displacement.

    • cargeniuass

      not if it bumps the price into the 30-35k range….
      increasing displacement is the best bet…

  • Six_Tymes

    this is great news! PLEASE Do not have the ugly blister wart looking center vent on the dash board.

  • Leconte Dave

    Just borrow a 1.8T from someone else, even a 2.0T

  • Six Thousand Times

    A great chassis in need of a little more go power.

  • Bo Hanan

    “The latest driving assistance systems, including the now-mandatory in Europe eCall, a system that contacts the emergency services in the event of a serious crash.”
    Bad idea! Big brother.

  • Vassilis

    Using an engine above 2.0 litres would be very stupid. There are countries that tax displacement.

    • Wandering_Spirit

      Like Italy…where anything above 2.0 litres (and the cost of gas anyways) makes you look like a really really rich guy if you just dare thinking of buying a Gas car in the 2000ish CCs. (I always owned diesels myself….fast ones but diesels). In Asia, where i am now….you can easily get big displacements without being vexed too much and nobody thinks you’re rich. It’s just normal.

    • Six_Tymes

      shhhhhh ush

    • Agreed, this does applies to country like Japan and China too. They could have offered multiple choice like in MX-5.

  • Infinite1

    Honda did the same thing from the 2.0 L from 2.4L a few years back and it had the same horsepower, the newer ones even less. If the new 2.4 L for the second gen has more power, it probably won’t be anything more than 220 HP for anything naturally aspirated. At least throw in a turbo 4 with 280 HP

    • cargeniuass

      Honda and Toyota are 2 different companies though and toyota has come out already and said they aren’t going to put any forced induction in this car period point blank.
      If they already get 200+ from 2.0, they can definitely engineer 250 N/A with a 2.4

      • Infinite1

        I’m just speculating here. Given Toyota’s background, hopefully they’ll give the audience what they want. Subaru did say that the next BRZ will be forced induced so it may be the high end trim that has it.

        • Kyle Newberry

          If it has to be forced, I’m hoping supercharger over Turbo.

  • DMax

    I heard the new Supra will have a base engine with like 250 hp. I can’t imagine the new 86 to have much more than 200 it has now, otherwise it would compete with the base Supra. Honestly, it doesn’t need anymore than 200. What they should do is get it’s weight further down, and get it an engine with some torque. The lack of torque and the dip is what kills this car for me.

    • cargeniuass

      The leaked supra article from Japan claims it’ll actually be 300+ in stock form, although no ones really sure officially. It’d be highly doubtful that toyota would release a 250 hp 86 and then a 250 hp supra in the same lineup, especially when the 86 would be much lighter.
      Supra will probably have more like 300-325 stock, 400-450 in the higher trim.
      The toyobaru will probably have at least 250 i’m hoping, or if not, give us some higher torque figures and increase the throttle response.

  • cargeniuass

    As an owner, the absolute worse feature of this car is the damn cup holders….. They aren’t even fastened to anything!
    I agree with the backseat comments as well. I believe its an insurance thingy, but the rear seats are laughable, it should really be removed so the rear is like the hatch in a z car.
    The car needs at least 250 ponies under the hood to be a real contender amongst its competitors.
    And lastly, i love hot hatches as well, but the toyobaru will look awful in a hatch body style.. Like god awful…. I’d prefer a regular corolla hatch over a toyobaru hatchback, ick.

    • eb110americana

      I don’t mean a hatch like a Golf, I mean like a Corvette or Supra. The car’s shape doesn’t have to change at all to accommodate that (see the current Regal Sportback for more proof of that). And true, hatchbacks are slightly less rigid, but if you can lop the roof off a Miata and still have a solid structure, I don’t think this is that critical for a road car. Worst case, a strut tower brace can always be added.

      I agree that 250 hp is about the baseline. It could get by with less, but only if torque were much healthier than 151-156 lb.ft. @6400 RPM–which is doubtful from a 2.4 without some kind of boost.

  • cargeniuass

    they literally just confirmed that it is…

  • Loquacious Borborygmus

    What it really needs is some more torque with no dip in it.

  • Kyle Newberry

    I’ve often thought of how the old Celica looked from 2005. Looks like a coupe, but was a awesome hatch!

  • Kyle Newberry

    What they should do is bring in Yamaha to work their magic!

  • DM

    This is a car that as a die hard Subbie fan I really wanted to like but I never thought it was particularly pretty. I hope they get the new car’s design right. To me this looked 5 years old when it came out.

  • SteersUright

    After crying that they could never do a turbo because that’d be too much weight in the nose of the car, their solution is a bigger and most likelier heavier n.a. engine? Odd. That said, if they could make a proper high revving flat-4, that would be cool. Still, at 2.4L what kind of power can one seriously expect, 240hp maybe? Still not enough.

    Suggestion guys: just buy the blueprints to the last gen n.a. flat-6 from Porsche just before they went all turbo crazy.

  • smartacus

    Now a 2.4 won’t rev like a 2.0
    So don’t expect mucho horsepowero

    you’ll get maybe 20 lb.ft. mo torque
    and lower redline. If any extra hp
    is made; it will be coincidental.

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