Tesla’s Nurburgring Attempt Could Be In Vain As Porsche Set The Lap Record With The Standard Taycan Turbo

If you like plot twists, you’ll love the latest development in the battle for the Nurburgring lap record for four-door electric sport sedans.

As we have previously reported, a pre-production Porsche Taycan set a new record by lapping the Nordschleife in 7 minutes and 42 seconds. Tesla CEO Elon Musk quickly responded by shipping a couple of upgraded Model S’ to the Nurburgring to beat the time set by Porsche.

Earlier today, it appeared Tesla was successful as spy photographers clocked a Model S lapping the Green Hell in 7 minutes and 23 seconds. If that time is accurate, Tesla would have beaten the Taycan’s time by 19 seconds.

Also Read: Tesla Model S Prototype Allegedly Demolishes Porsche Taycan’s ‘Ring Lap Record

However, Tesla might not want to celebrate yet as Car & Driver reports Porsche’s lap record was set by the Taycan Turbo and not the more powerful Taycan Turbo S. The news was confirmed by Stefan Weckbach, who is the vice president of the Taycan product line, and it means Tesla’s sudden focus on Nurburgring lap times could be in vain.

That remains to be seen and Weckbach wouldn’t comment on a possible lap time for the Taycan Turbo S. However, it’s possible that Porsche goaded Tesla into wasting their time and resources to develop a three-motor Plaid powertrain and a couple of prototypes to just set a record that can be broken by Porsche at any time.

Of course, there’s also the possibility the Taycan Turbo S isn’t much faster around the Nurburgring than the Taycan Turbo. While the Turbo S produces up to 751 hp (560 kW / 761 PS) – compared to the Turbo’s 671 hp (500 kW / 680 PS) – Car & Driver notes the full output is only available for 2.5 seconds at a time.  Afterwards, both models produce 616 hp (459 kW / 625 PS).

 

  • Richard Alexander

    Tesla brought a ringer. Porsche should do the same.

    • benT

      You know porch did not ?

      “…pre-production Porsche Taycan…”

      If you do know, tell us something that we don’t know.
      No?

      • Matt

        Um yes the Tesla Model S they are testing on the ring IS a pre-production prototype, set for release next year.

        And what is a ‘Porch’? Isn’t that what you put on the front of your house?

        • Mark Potochnik

          It IS a preproduction Tesla. Available next year.

          • MisanthropToo

            You do not really believe that do you?

            Tesla has literally never released a product on the date they originally claim it will be available.

            Also, this is not a “pre-production” anything. It is technically a prototype-racer with a Model S body.

            Trying to sell the Model S with this kind of set-up is absurd…Unlike the Porsche, as presented these cars have little practical application.

            I can just imagine a well-heeled millenial with three kids and a dog wanting to ride around in a $100k+ sedan with stick-on aero, virtually no clearance, rubber-band tires and a purported 1000+ horsepower-equivalence. Homologation would also be an interesting proposition for sales anywhere outside of the U.S. (where the Hellcat seemed like a good idea)

            Drink the Kool-Aid if you like but I assure you there will be nothing new, available for purchase next-year that remotely resembles what you see Tesla running here.

            Weren’t they supposed to have a pick-up a semi and a small crossover in the pipeline already? Not even the Model Y has been presented in a timely fashion, despite being little more than a warmed over “3”

            … Which brings me back to that whole homolgation thing. Its clearly not as easy as saying
            “I want my car to be out next year.”
            Things like durability testing and certification by government agencies all take time and often depend on the schedules of others. If something is not up to snuff (which it often isn’t) guess what? Design changes, engineering changes, more testing, more scheduling and if all goes well…the order for new tooling.

            This foolishness is effectively the first Electric-Tuner-Sedan. It is not financially-viable at any meaningful level of production (meaning Tesla could never sell enough cars built like this to warrant the cost of building them like this) nor a serious effort towards a consumer-ready product.

            …reminds me a little of the Jaguar “Project 8”. Four doors, no back seats, roughly $200,000 and only 300 to be built. Sooooo pointless.

          • benT

            Yes.
            Just like your commentary.

          • Matt

            I literally said that….

  • robotlogic

    Filling a 19 second gap will require both power and traction.

    • benT

      Filling most gaps requires a certain dexterity and skill.

      • mist

        Especially Tesla panel gaps. In 7 years of production an dmany years of development they still haven’t found a solution.

    • Tumbi Mtika

      Exactly. People are acting like Tesla took the L. The Turbo S needs to be much faster than the base still. There’s a lot of work to do.

      • Dredd2

        i dont think that, if the porsche also made )as musK( a non-existent prototype car which is gutted,caged,slicked,wider (tyres/body) , increase the full power time from 2.5 sec, etc. So that 19 wouldnt be too hard to reach, just unnecessary.

        • Tumbi Mtika

          I can see this point. My thinking is that they’re muling the Roadster, and a future run with it.

  • IN THE END IT DOESN’T REALLY MATTER. AT $113K FULLY LOADED FOR A MODEL S COMPARED TO $220K+ FOR THE TAYCAN IF PEOPLE NEED BRAGGING RIGHTS THEY’LL PAY THE EXTRA CASH.

    • Octane

      The thing is. Tesla got played. Porsche trolled Elon into getting in a battle with them, which Tesla more than likely cannot win. Because Tesla is supposedly the benchmark, but they created one themselves, now Tesla goes for it, without asking which version of the Taycan was used. And Tesla’s Model S doesn’t come looking like that from the showroom/store.

      • LJ

        You’re assuming the Turbo S is 20 seconds faster than the Turbo.

        • benT

          Octane 91 does not assume – that is WAY TOO FOCUSSED. The individual is vastly too simple minded for that…….

          • Mark Potochnik

            We need Octane 91 electricity! LOL!

        • Octane

          You are assuming that it isn’t. You are also assuming that they didn’t run the Turbo S, and don’t already have a Ring time for it. You are also assuming that Porsche doesn’t know what they were doing when they released the time. Remember, this is Porsche. The one with the most overall wins at Le Mans

          • LJ

            I haven’t assumed anything. You assumed I have.

      • ISN’T IT KIND OF SILLY FOR PORSCHE, ONCE KNOWN AS A SPORTS CAR COMPANY TO TROLL A FAMILY SEDAN? FOR THE PRICE PORSCHE IS CHARGING IT SHOULD BE BETTER.

        • Willzyx

          THEY TROLLED A FAMILY SEDAN WITH A FAMILY SEDAN. SO THERE.

        • Enter Ranting

          Porsche is an SUV and sedan company now.

      • benT

        I too have a load of horsepoo ready for delivery to you Octane 91.

        • Octane

          Will you deliver it in you Tesla? If so, make sure your seats are covered.

    • Willzyx

      IT DOES MATTER. THE MODEL S ON THE TRACK IS NOT YOUR AVERAGE P100D MODEL. IT’S “PLAID” MODEL, WHICH HASN’T EVEN BEEN RELEASED YET. IT WILL COMMAND A PREMIUM OVER THE LOADED 100D. ON TOP OF THAT, PORSCHE AND TESLA DO NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO QUALITY. SOME PEOPLE JUST WANT HIGHER QUALITY CAR AND ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT. NISSAN GTR IS FASTER THAN FERRARI 458, YET PEOPLE WITH MONEY WILL BUY 458.

  • Karl

    I find it funny that everyone says the Porsche is a standard Porsche. After all it is a prototype/preproduction unit, and subject to changes while in production. How is it that Porsche gets a pass on this end?

    • benT

      see my comment below and thanks for your view.

    • Matt

      If the ‘pre-production’ Taycan that completed the record is built using all production-spec components and calibrations, then whatever title you want to call it is pure semantics. It’s still the same car you can go and buy, save for the fact it was built before series production began (and of course has some additional mandatory safety equipment installed).

      • Karl

        Not if they decide to make changes in the production model, something every car manufacturer does. That’s why they call it pre-production.

        • Matt

          “Something every car manufacturer does”. Not true at all. Pre-production is all in the name.. it just means the car was most likely hand-built as opposed to an automated production line.

          Sometimes things like interior trim, fit-finish and materials change into full production, but mechanical changes are very rare because any modification requires months of re-testing and simulations (and cost, obviously).

        • Rimas Kurtinaitis

          Porsche didn’t, though.

    • benT

      just realised that the Tesla S is twice the space inside as the porch bongo van.

  • PK

    well played porsche, well played.

  • YUDHA BAGASKARA

    take the middle finger, elon

  • Tumbi Mtika

    19 seconds is a lot to make up. Let’s see it, Porsche.

    • Matt

      To be clear, Porsche hasn’t promised anything – Porsche has made no official statement on the subject.

  • Didou

    Tesla : Different chassis with « plaid » prototype 3 electric motors, crash bars, slick tyres (that only is a huge difference in track).

    So just send the regular Tesla S P100D first.

  • Kagan

    So the real power is just 625 hp!

  • Kagan

    There is only one way to do it and it is by 10 neutral third persons driving both cars obtained in the freely consumer market. Best is also to have an amateur driver because that is the case in the real world. I can be one of them!

    • Matt

      Having an amateur driver is like getting an unfit person to test a running shoe… pointless.

    • joeybuttafucco

      nice wet dream bro

  • john1168

    The Porsche Taycan Turbo (LOL) S won’t make much of a difference. Surly not enough of a difference to make up 19 seconds. I’m willing to believe a current production P100D will AT LEAST equal the Porsche Taycan Turbo (LOL) S around the Ring.

    • Dredd2

      im sure that the new tesla SALOON/STOCK unable to reach that gutted,caged,wider prototype’s time.

  • Bikie Wright

    what an effing ridiculous pissing contest.

    • Dennis James

      It’s a good contest because they left quite a few performance petrol sedans in the dust during this battle.

  • Stephen G

    How big is the chip on Porsche’s shoulder?

    • Matt

      What are you basing that on?

      • Stephen G

        This article.

        • Matt

          Really, because I didn’t see any official Porsche statement on the matter when I read the article. In fact, to the best of my knowledge Porsche hasn’t said or done a thing since Tesla’s record announcement and attempt.

          So how can you say they have a chip on their shoulder? For keeping quiet?

  • Mark Potochnik

    Tesla beat Porsche by 20 seconds. Plaid Tesla to be available Oct/Nov 2020.

    • Rimas Kurtinaitis

      With an overall deficit in performance against the Taycan Turbo S in production guise, especially after a couple of laps around. Hard pass.

  • joeybuttafucco

    when these cars charge by driving over solar roads, I’ll buy one

    • Mark Potochnik

      When the have home gas stations where I can make gas at home I’ll buy one. I can make electricity at home.

      • joeybuttafucco

        Infrastructure for gas in place for over 100 years ….infrastrucuture for fast charging in uS in place for…. oh yeah there isn’t any. Enjoy plugging and unplugging every day several times a day

        • Mark Potochnik

          300 mile range. Several times a day every day? You drive 300,000 miles per year? BS!
          No fast chargers? More BS! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f5898e767e1ce3b33ea98b0bd307ac65ec5550b751ec884ae908a300cad2183d.png

          • joeybuttafucco

            It’s a free country Mark(at least for the near future), do WTF you want and I will also

        • TrevP

          Not how it works. You are truly clueless about how it all works aren’t you? Have not done any research cause there is infrastructure and its growing very fast. And the fact that you can literally wake up, go out to your garage and have a car fully charged, DAILY with a range of 300+ miles is a HUGE advantage over ICE vehicles. Do you drive more than 300 miles per day? If so then maybe an electric car isn’t for you, but that is literally the only case it doesn’t make sense to own one as a daily commuter.

          • joeybuttafucco

            I am hardly clueless Mr. Know-it-All and despite your offensive insult I still hope you do not get incinerated by your Li ion batteries one day

          • TrevP

            I’m not a know it all. Your comment about plugging in and unplugging several times a day clearly shows how little knowledge you have on the matter.
            You did that all on your own buddy.
            I appreciate you not wishing death on me with your incineration comment.

  • Duffman

    Another terrible author. The “plaid” Tesla is entering production near the end of 2020. This isn’t something they just made in their basement over night to compete with Porsche. Good luck watching Porsche make up 19 seconds.

    • David Chinag

      19 seconds is an eternity on a race track. I am sure the Porsche executives were quite disappointed that the Tesla was able to beat their car by such wide margin, and so early in their testing cycle. The Tesla car was on the track for about one day, and sharing the track with other cars.

  • Matt

    I think you know where I was going with my analogy.. unless you think that getting off-the-street amateurs to set Nürburgring lap times makes sense?

  • Stephen G

    Have you every tried doing anything and setting a goal?

  • Enter Ranting

    I guess Tesla will have to install a non-existent “turbo” in the Model S.

    • Matt

      I don’t think Porsche should be ‘embarrassed’ at all. Tesla has always lead on EV drivetrain technology.

      As for the ‘Plaid’ Model S’s we’ve seen at the ring – who really knows how much 2012 Model S is under the skin. It’s almost all new Roadster 2-based tech under there.

  • BrucieBruce

    Each brand will force some improvements from the other brand. In the end, I put my money on the Porsche for the win in terns of speed, comfort, luxury and fit/finish!.

  • benT

    The porch is nothing more than a 2+2 4 door car.
    Try putting 5 adults in there and see if its special laps go to anything more than cat having a milkshake.

  • Stephen G

    Setting a completion date and not making it is not a lie. Saying you’ve never missed a predetermined completion date is.

    • benT

      This is correct. EVERY PROJECT MANAGER in the world knows this and there millions of them. It is what project management software packages and their use is all about. – trying to predict the halts, slowdowns, stoppages in a project and minimising the impact of the inevitable.
      I suggest Miss Anthrop goes to kindy and recommences education from the outset.

      Such tripe I have yet to read and there HAS been a lot of that from individual suxh as this one – Missy Anthrop, Matt, D4VETHEORDINARY and there are others.
      :?D

  • benT

    Tesla makes more than 500,000 cars each year now and that number increasing at minimum of 15% per year which itself is accelerating – an increasing rate of increase in production and only held up due to unforeseen manufacturing and plant build issues.
    Then there is the China plant build.
    Then there is the US battery plant build.
    Then there is planning for the next battery plant and reliable sources of lithium – Australia has more lithium mining than any other country.
    Then there is the European plants which may be built.

    Cannot see where the failure is other than inside the Dung beetle crawling through a nightmare inside your head.
    Would you care to put some business facts in front of your ludicrous commentary?
    China losses are the actual investment cost of building a car factory there so please don’t bring up that ol’ chestnut.

  • TrevP

    So you have now resulted to name calling. You don’t have to prove anything to me I couldn’t care less about you or your one minded ways. 200 miles in one day is a lot, probably live in a rural area, which explains a lot actually. Like you said “Do WTF you want” It’s the internet bro and I got all day.

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