Hyundai Nexo FCV Better Than Toyota Mirai, Limited By Lack Of Infrastructure

Most carmakers seem to agree all-electric vehicles are the future but some are keeping their options open and develop both pure electric and hydrogen fuel cell cars.

Hyundai is one of those companies. The Korean automaker builds both an all-electric vehicle, the Kona EV, and a fuel cell car, the Nexo. The latter offers a range of about 370 miles (595 km) and the advantage of not having to wait more than 5 minutes on average for a refuel.

Assuming hydrogen stations will become at least as widespread as charging stations, that’s a big advantage over EVs, since even the most rapid charging stations take about 30 minutes to charge the batteries to 80 percent capacity.

To find out how convenient the Hyundai Nexo is to use today, vloggers Mr. Mobile (Michael Fisher) and Joshua Vergara drove the hydrogen-powered crossover for 900 miles (1,450 km) across California. Their road trip from San Diego to Sacramento took five days, which is a bit longer than usual.

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The reason for that was the fact that hydrogen stations are not evenly distributed across California. There are only 36 of them and they’re concentrated in densely populated areas. So the reviewers had to take detours to reach some of those stations, thus driving for longer than they should have.

As if that wasn’t a big enough inconvenient, hydrogen fuel is quite expensive. The cost of refueling the Nexo averages $80 or more. Factor in the vehicle’s base price of just under $60,000 and one quickly realizes owning and running a fuel cell car does not come cheap.

On the bright side, the reviewers found the Nexo the best hydrogen fuel cell model so far, besting the Toyota Mirai. It’s comfortable, spacious, as silent as a battery-powered EV and full of features. It’s just that the world isn’t ready for it yet.

  • charlotteharry57

    I suppose it’s necessary for car companies to experiment with various types of alternative fuel sources, but I just can’t see many plop down $60K for a hydrogen-powered vehicle. In lesser numbers than pure EVs. The companies might be better off asking for “beta-test” volunteers.

    • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

      Hyundai aren’t expecting to sell these in vast numbers. It’s something new, highly-innovative and fascinating.

      • Loquacious Borborygmus

        You’re their brand ambassador, right?😉

        • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

          Nope. I don’t own a Hyundai either, I currently drive a Jag.

          • Loquacious Borborygmus

            Well, we all have our cross to bear. 😉

        • Mr. EP9

          I’ll bet it if there are no takers. I mean, Tesla already has one on this website.

    • bd0007

      Hyundai and other makers of FCEVs will make quicker inroads in the commercial/transport market (buses, big rigs and vans).

  • Bo Hanan

    Pepto Bismol… Why?!

  • Honda NSX-R

    Nice M3

  • Blade t

    Price is 60k and average $80 to fill up ? Wow, no thanks..

    • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

      It’s a car for those who value something totally different and innovative. It’ll sell in really tiny numbers, but be very useful to Hyundai in the long-term.

      • Blade t

        At least there are no stations to fuel up ..

        • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

          There are station many places to fuel up, but not if you want to untypically drive a 900 mile journey. People are hardly going to buy one not knowing that.

          • Blade t

            I think hydrogen fuel cell cars are a great idea ,but with only 36 stations in a huge state like California makes it very hard to drive one. There is way more infrastructure for EV’s. Honda doesn’t even sell their fuel cell vehicle, you can only lease it. Because they know no one will buy them currently. .

          • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

            Like I said previously, they’ll only sell in tiny numbers mostly because of the infrastructure, but the technology Hyundai is offering really is innovative and interesting.

          • Blade t

            How is it more innovative and interesting more than Honda or Toyota ?

          • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

            I didn’t compare it to the Honda or Toyota, but for an alternative to ICE and regular EVs, it most certainly is. The Hyundai certainly looks better than it’s Japanese rivals.

          • Blade t

            You seem to be a really into Hyundai.

          • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

            I like them because they seem to be doing something right. In 2005, Hyundai was the UK’s 23rd best-selling brand, with just 28,000 cars sold. Last year, Hyundai sold just over 93,000 cars and was the UK’s ninth best-selling brand, outselling historically-established manufacturers like Peugeot, Skoda, Seat, Honda, Citroen, and Fiat. For a manufacturer that entered the UK market very recently, in comparison to other manufacturers, they are leaving the competition behind.

          • Blade t

            Right.

    • Jack

      Sadly for us, it’s for rich folks, but one day I’m sure prices will come down. All innovative and nascent tech is expensive at first.

      People forget that it wasn’t even 5 years ago that charging stations were almost non existent, and even today, despite their increased numbers, it’s still just concentrated around bigger cities while the majority of the country’s population wouldn’t see practical use out of electric cars.

      The story will probably be pretty similar for hydrogen, so we can keep dreamin!

    • bd0007

      In California, it costs about the same to fill up a larger ICE crossover and even more for a big SUV.

      • S3XY

        Are you trying to make a point or something?

        You can get a used Model S in the $30,000-$40,000 range and charge for free at all Superchargers

        $80 fill up vs. $0 fill up

        I’m taking the $0 fill up

        And I’m sure you’d prefer to pay for some reason rofl

        • bd0007

          Not everyone is interested in a BEV, much less a Tesla (and a used one at that).

          Plus, “filling up” at a supercharger station still takes half an hour as opposed to 4-5 mins for an FCEV.

        • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

          Have you actually purchased a Tesla or any EV yet?

      • Blade t

        13k in fuel cards doesn’t matter when there is nowhere to fuel up..only 36 stations in the whole state of CA. .

        • bd0007

          No one is saying that the Nexo (or any other FCEV) will reach a mass market,

          But for those who live in LA or the Bay area and have a hydrogen fueling station near home or work, it wouldn’t be a nonsensical purchase.

          Counting the govt. tax incentives, the overall cost gets down close to $40k and you get the additional benefit of an HOV sticker which is worth a lot to certain drivers.

  • Paul

    If this were ever to become mainstream like they want electric to be, I wouldn’t mind having one. WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE!!!!

    • S3XY

      Fool Cells will never become mainstream. Ever.

      • Mr. EP9

        Based upon what?

        • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

          Based upon what his drugged-up hero claims.

      • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

        People originally said that about bicycles and home computers.

    • Bash

      +1

    • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

      Did anyone ever hugely criticize Henry Ford for not rolling out gas stations across the world when the Model T became popular? No.

      Just because Elon think something is a great idea, doesn’t mean it is.

  • Tan Lee

    We shouldn’t forget who the leaders and innovators are.

    Toyota opened their Hydrogen Fuel Cell patents to all the car makers for free back in 2015. This allowed car makers to gain from Toyota’s years of R&D.

    Yeah sure it’s easy for Hyundai to make a more affordable FC & apparently ‘better’ car, they didn’t pay for the R&D that goes with building the technology.

    • bd0007

      That’s fine and all, except Hyundai has been investing in FCEV development for years.

      The 4th gen Tucson FCEV (the first commercially mass-produced hydrogen fuel cell vehicle in the world) went into production in 2013; the 1st gen model goes all the way back to 2001.

      Next time, suggest getting your facts correct.

      • Tan Lee

        Official Toyota Statement:

        Toyota’s efforts to make sustainable mobility a reality with hydrogen started in 1992, even before the release of the Prius. In 2002, Toyota began the world’s first limited sales of a fuel cell vehicle, the “Toyota FCHV”, in Japan and the U.S. Toyota has also made use of its hybrid vehicle technology in the development of fuel cell vehicles.

        FACT STRAIGHT.

        • bd0007

          This has NOTHING to do w/ your initial post about Toyota having opened up its fuel cell patents in 2015, implying that Hyundai based its fuel cell tech on Toyota’s (which it didn’t).

          Like I had stated, Hyundai built its first fuel cell model in 2001 and started R&D on fuel cells well before that.

          Research on fuel cells dates all the way back to the 1800’s but the 1st modern fuel cell vehicle (a tractor) came about more recently (1959).

          GM had its 1st fuel cell vehicle (the Chevy Electrovan) back in 1966.

          There’s a reason why Audi AG partnered up w/ Hyundai for FCEV’s and not Toyota.

          It’s not like Toyota has been the only auto-maker who has been doing R&D on fuel cells; just as Tesla isn’t the only automaker to have done pure electrics.

          GM and Honda have also partnered up on FCEV’s (both also being leaders in fuel cell tech).

    • S3XY

      Tesla opened all their patents for free back in 2014 and Toyota is messing around with Fool Cells.

      Tesla is the innovator and leader of the entire auto industry.

      Fool Cells are a joke.

      • Tan Lee

        Your comparing a 15yr old car company to a 81 year old one? You don’t think Toyota innovated anything during those 81 years?

        Tesla know how to market there ideas about the auto industry and its up to the consumer to be convinced or not i.e Their ‘Killer’ Autopilot (released to the public without proper testing).

        Fact is electric cars have been around since the 1880’s so its not a new idea. Hydrogen Fuel Cell is.

        • bd0007

          Uhh, fuel cell vehicles have been around since the mid-1900’s w/ research having started in the 1800’s – so it’s hardly “new” either.

          • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

            That’s true, but only now are people seriously considering it for use in mass-manufactured vehicles. Toyota, Honda and Hyundai have been the first in the past 25 years to seriously consider it.

          • Tan Lee

            Not a production working FC car.

      • Mr. EP9

        Tesla is certainly not the leader in the entire auto industry. You’ve been smoking weed haven’t you?

        • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

          And he’s probably off his face on Ambien. He wants to be like his billionaire hero, but he’s still stuck at home in his Mom’s basement.

  • IT LOOKS LIKE A NICE CAR BUT THE LACK OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND PRICE OF FUEL MAKE IT PROHIBITIVE. EVEN IF TESLA NEVER BUILT THE SUPERCHARGERS WE ALL HAVE ACCESS TO ELECTRICITY AND REALISTICALLY WHO DRIVES MORE THAN 300 MILES A DAY.

  • S3XY

    Can’t charge at home. No consideration.

    • ➡️ProtectOurHeritage⬅️

      At least those who buy a Hyundai Nexo FCV would gave a car. Whereas you’re stuck at home in your Mom’s basement and have to walk or take the bus everywhere. Still not saved up for that Tesla yet? 😂

  • Dude

    One of the best looking alternative fuel cars at least

  • bd0007

    You have no idea what GM’s situation re FCEV tech is nowadays, since it’s been some time since GM had an FC model (the ’07-09 Equinox FC which had a 190 mile range).

    If GM were to put out a new FCEV, would not be surprised if it were comparable w/ the others.

    Speaking of which, GM’s FCEV partner, Honda, has put out a new FCEV recently, the Clarity, and in the comparison tests w/ the Mirai, the Clarity has come out on top (as has the Nexo).

    So you’re claim that Toyota is the leader in FCEV tech is FALSE, just as your insinuation that Hyundai borrowed Toyota’s FCEV tech was misleading.

    • Tan Lee

      Man you really have it out for Toyota. Ok so the comparisons online are always a true reflection of how ownership of that vehicle really is? They said the same thing when hybrids were first introduced, the Prius got hammered but who is laughing now? Yeah the Nexo or Clarity might be convincingly better on a short test drive but which car will go the distance for years without problems? Why is it that only Toyota doesn’t require any partners? Maybe because they have invested longest in this tech? Wiki only states when vehicles are actually produced but not when research within those companies started unless they disclose that.

      Why in God’s name would AUDI need to sign with Toyota when all tech and patents have been made free from Toyota? They partnered with hyundai because they haven’t shared their patents or tech so that Audi can have the best of both worlds and potentially come out with a better FC car. The reason why Hyundai haven’t released the patents is because they want to keep it all to themselves, Toyota wants FC’s to be global so as to speed up the transition released the patents just like Tesla did.

      Hyundai almost 100% have used Toyota FC tech. Toyota’s tech has been tested, checked and cleared by government regulations and they made it open to use. Why would Hyundai disregard that, it’s Business at the end of the day.

      So you ‘Know’ GM’s situation do you? As in you actually work in GM or are you talking using what you ‘Read’ online?

      • bd0007

        Not out for Toyota (or the Mirai), just your MISLEADING claim that Toyota is the leader in FCEV tech and the implying that others only got to where they are w/ their own FCEVs by copying Toyota’s tech.

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