Lane Weaving Golf GTI Driver Causes One Accident While Trying To Avoid Another

Despite the MythBusters showing us a few years back that lane weaving doesn’t really make that much of a difference in busy traffic, as opposed to staying in your lane, it seems some people will never learn.

In this case, it did even more harm as the driver of a red Golf GTI, who was apparently in a bit of a hurry, eventually made a very wrong move by trying to avoid cars that were braking in front, steering to the left and colliding with an oncoming vehicle.

Speaking of getting caught off-guard, the driver of the dashcam car was definitely not expecting the VW to change lanes yet again, so there’s no point in tossing any blame his way.

While we can’t know for sure, it’s unlikely the Golf came away as bruised as the dashcam car, which was sent into the guardrail following the impact.

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  • baofe

    drivers like that should be banned from the road and their licenses suspended.

    • Hinu

      They should get proper education. People always nag about “this and this driver should be bannned blah blah blah”, but the real problem is that they lack the proper skills. The education is absolute shit, and drivers aren’t properly learn how to make safe driving happen. And the speed limits are a really vague and bad unit of reference to go after. You need to understand how to adapt to where you are driving. Not only the road, but the traffic around you.

      Only idiots would make the same mistake again.

      Nothing will help by just banning people, when what can clearly be improved is the education…

      Carscoops: Is this comment approval really necessary? Some sites never approve them because they have nobody to do it, so your comment will forever be in a black hole. Just because you ticked some parameter, e.g. adding in a link/source.

      • Cameron

        Agree / Disagree, if you are driving like that, in that kind of traffic, with that kind of weather, you aren’t just uneducated you are either a moron or think you are cool / invincible and therefor agree he should be banned from driving. No amount of training and education can fix that.

        • Hinu

          You clearly didn’t read my comments. There are solid and logical principles to determine safe and conscious driving, that’s what I’m talking about.

    • Bash

      agreed

  • Six_Tymes

    wow, what a D-BAG. I hope the driver with the cam is OK?

    • ToniCipriani ✓pǝᴉɟᴉɹǝʌ

      There’s a link to the original full length video in the description on YouTube. Guy said he was “only panicked”.

      • Hinu

        Of course he panicked. You can see the driver assuming the same flow of traffic, before he suddenly slams the brakes and tries to “escape” into the next lane.

        The problem is not him changing lanes… The problem is how he is unable to look ahead and see the traffic slowing down.

        • ToniCipriani ✓pǝᴉɟᴉɹǝʌ

          No, I think the guy who said panicked was the guy in the dashcam car, not the GTI driver.

          • Hinu

            Yeah well, who said what is not my concern. You clearly see by the way the car handles he is doing something abrupt in the last minute. And it’s obvious he did it not to hit the grey car, which he would’ve otherwise.

    • Hinu

      No, what an unaware driver. He should assess his attention to the traffic around him.

  • Przemix

    Golf has a front crash alarm, did he miss it?

  • D3X

    Looks like this took place in the Greater Toronto Area. This is 404 Northbound, a road I always take. Drive safe people, I always watch out for lane weavers.

    • Hinu

      Lane weaving is not the issue. The problem was that he didn’t look ahead and missed that the traffic slowed down.

      • D3X

        Lane weaving and a normal lane change is completely different. Aggressive Lane weaving is an issue, it’s an act of trying to move faster than traffic, it’s needlessly reckless, involves high speed maneuvering, ignores safe distances between cars, late braking, disregards surrounding vehicles and road conditions. Hence the accident caused here.

        • Hinu

          Yes and no. Because normal lane changing is often described and irrationally perceived as something it’s not, something dangerous.

          Aggressive lane changing might be an issue, but it’s not the issue here. People are attacking a consequence rather than the root of the problem. It’s not very constructive. And judging by the comments here, people aren’t really interested in assessing it objectively and accurately (most people aren’t very good at that).

          Driving past traffic isn’t necessarily posing a danger. High speed is not necessarily posing a danger. It’s all about how, when, where and why it’s done.

          I’m totally with you in regards to distance between cars, braking lenghts, margins, attention and overview as well as understanding of the traffic around you and the machinery you are controlling.

          The problem with this instance was clearly the driver not paying attention and not being aware and entering a gap inappropriately.

          • D3X

            The problem with this instance was clearly the driver not paying attention and not being aware and entering a gap inappropriately.

            That’s your interpretation. It’s clear he was speeding and his attention was adverted and distracted by the fact that he wanted to pass and overtake traffic. The problem started with his aggressive driving. Changing lanes adverted his attention.

            Frequent lane changes increases risk. The act of changing lanes and overtaking constantly means that you encounter and interact with more drivers on the road than a normal driver that follows normal traffic flow. Simply more encounters with distracted drivers, poor drivers, aggravated, intoxicated, and simply bad luck. Simple logic: Less cars interacting with you, the less chance you would be in an accident.

          • Hinu

            Yeah, based on video footage and clear indications from his behaveour. Look how he react in the last lane switch, how he breaks while going into the lane (at a too high speed, presumably assuming the continuation of the current traffic flow), then abruptly braking while sharply steering away from the grey car.

            Nothing should advert your attention, and that’s how you should drive. Allowing yourself to lose overview and attention is not due to his speed. You should always be able to assess a safe speed, which obviously wasn’t done properly here. A lower speed would only give him a larger margin. He should’ve been driving at a lower speed because of the way the traffic picture looked like.

            Frequent lane changes can increase risk, depending on how it’s done. You arguments is similar to “more driving equals more risk”.

            The goal should be to teach and incentivise good driving principles, not just limiting everything you can do. I understand why limits are put in place, but the rules sometimes makes people not doing anything wrong criminal, because it assumes based on static generalizations. And the laws allow for you to be punished not based on the specific thing you did, but based on arbitrary values and assumptions – while ignoring the objective facts. You know the value is arbitrary when it doesn’t in any way account for different situations and factors, and that the real value changes turn by turn, stretch by stretch. Objectively, you could drive faster certain places than others without jeopardizing safety.

            Again, your logic is “less driving, less risk”. Which is inherently silly, because you are undermining actual reasoning about proper driving principles and skills.

          • D3X

            Again, your logic is “less driving, less risk”. Which is inherently silly, because you are undermining actual reasoning about proper driving principles and skills.

            But is it silly? It’s quite proven that automobile accidents is one of the largest causes of death throughout the world.

            It’s also pretty clear that no matter how good of a driver you may be, skills or experience wise, it doesn’t stop accidents from occurring. You could have the skills of a world class F1 driver, but once you’re on public roads, you are at the mercy of all the drivers around you. Case and point of this dashcam video and the driver that rolled over on the concrete guardrail, caused by the stupid Golf.

            Perhaps you’re european and you overestimate general driving skills,(it’s pretty much known that Scandinavian countries have the strictest level and probably the best drivers on average in the world), North America is simply bad(majority of my peers don’t even know how to drive a manual car). Until you drive here in Canada(where this accident happened), you are speaking out of context.

          • Hinu

            That’s just not true. It’s a large cause of deaths because of the incredibly many hours people put into driving. A large part of people’s lives are devoted to driving. When you have a lot of people put in a lot of hours you always get deaths.

            I don’t remember the exact numbers, but the percentage is around 0.05 or 0.005 percent in the US. Which makes it very rare. The roads are very safe, although things are quite difference over there, I’m sure. The thing is though, it always comes down to education, skill and knowledge.

            To say it’s one of the largest causes is not accurate. It’s barely on the top 10 or top 20, but that’s that. Mostly because of the incredible amount of driving that is done.

            Of course that is clear, which is why you as a driver are to put in precautions and margins.

            You could have the skill of a F1 driver, which doesn’t catch all the skills needed to interact well in traffic. Driving on a track and understanding car physics is helpful and a very large part of it, but another part is understanding the traffic around you and adapting to it.

            The point of this video gets reduced to people making poor assessments and creating hatred and misconceptions rather than understanding of what is the real cause behind the accidents. That’s not to say it shouldn’t be posted.

            Yes, I am European, and we have very strict education. Education is one of the core things I think should be improved, especially in NA. The education, or lack thereof in the US, is ridiculous. It amazes me how they let people drive without education. Over here you have to get a general pre-course, with 2 weeks of going to class for a certain amount of hours (a few per multiple days), then you need another course, some practical courses, a certain amount of hours/education with a certified teacher (which encourages home training in addition), then you get a large book you need to read and understand the content of, before you do an exam where you are required to get 85 % correct. Then you need a driving course on a closed track (which in practice is really bad and people don’t learn much from it).

            This grant you access to small cars up to 3500 kg. No trailer.

            The education over here is not good enough, even though it’s fairly strict and comprehensive (just partly focused on the wrong things, and a lot of it is arbitrary references to “this is dangerous, don’t do it because we say so”). But compared to the US… Oh man… Where do I begin? Also, we do this with manual cars, “nobody” does it with automatic.

            There is a clear correlation between education and skill and accidents as well as risk of accidents.

            It’s not that I overestimate general driving skills, but I acknowledge that the focus is wrong. Autobahn, a road without speed limit, a famous highway people flock to, for the sole purpose of driving as fast as they can, even families doing it just because they can, have a better statistic than you. They probably do what people call “lane weaving”, but over here people do that generally very safe and controlled. Lane switching, even going back and forth (carefully and controlled) is not really dangerous if done well by attentive drivers.

            The problem is the education. You put untrained people on the road and complain about them not having the adequate skill. You rely on limitations to compensate for lack of education and skill. Then you simply give people a fine for not having that skill, that nobody offered or required them to acquire. And not only will you just punish them, but there’s no focus on teaching drivers, but rather punishing them. It’s ridiculous. It’s like putting an untrained electrician in work in people’s homes, putting himself, other workers and the family at stake. Just to complain about people getting electrified.

            I am Scandinavian, indeed. I hold more certificates than most people (up to 50 Ton trucks with trailer), I started learning about driving physics before I started school. I drove a car the first time as a 14 year old. At the age of… 8 or something… I got my first PC simulations kit that tought me car control, going from controllers where braking and timing was my focus. Driving and car control was already second nature by the time I was getting into a car later on. You aren’t able to hold a 90s car stable with shitty tires in pouring rain in 200 kph without some skill and understanding about how driving works.

            I know the process of learning these things, it’s my passion, I know the capacity of people, I’ve seen kids learning the physics of driving and being quickly being able to adapt their inputs to the surroundings in a matter of minutes and hours. If you teach people the right things, the right way, you create good drivers. If you nudge them to the knowledge and make them analyse how things work, not only driving but traffic interaction, you create good drivers. Arbitrary references cannot be accepted (we have a lot of them, and even police officers use them, because police officers are just normal people like everyone else). A good driver will know exactly where the car end up if you were to slam the brakes. I can judge/predict this within centimeters. It’s not hard for most people to learn this. All you need is practice, and you’ll develop important references every second you drive. And preferably you’d constantly calculate the braking lenght at every bend, every situation, to the point that it’s automatic. Yes, I do this, which is part of the reason I can confidently say I drive safely.

            The source of safe traffic is not exceedingly strict rules and limitations, it’s education and incentivising education. When people get caught doing something irresponsible, require them to go back to a driving school and pay for education from a certified teacher. If you lose your license here, you need to pay to take the exam again and may require lessons. Nobody will cause other harm on purpose, you’d have to be a maniac or a psychopath to do that. With the right tools, you can be confident about driving safe by having the correct knowledge.

            Driving is not black and white. I could show you driving in 200 kph that is controlled and safe. Yes, safe. Objectively so. But of course, that limits where and when I can show this.

            For instance, I am regularly on the track with my car (doesn’t matter the car, I race it). I’ll bring my car to an ice track soon too, which will strenghten my driving skills beyond the point of needing it. I do stuff there, that would never be relevant in traffic. People need some training, to see where the limits are. I feel very easily where the limits of the car is. It’s important and valuable knowledge. You don’t have to be a world champion to put it in good use. You only need to know where you draw the line, how you draw the distance, how you choose your driving pattern.

            This is what I miss from most people. The closed course training is a joke, honestly. I’ve asked a lot of people, they just quote some vague talk about braking lenghts and slippery conditions… And people aren’t properly taught to calculate distance and brake lenghts just by looking forward. It’s not that hard, even for the everyday joe.

            The almost only have controls on highways too, where there’s the least accidents despite much more cars driven on it. They constantly misquote statistics. There has been a strong decline in accidents and deaths since… well… the invention of the car. Mostly attributed to safety and handling of cars as well as education and road standards.

            Despite an ever increasing cars, drivers and driven kilometers on the road, the death number is staying the same. What does this tell you? A reduction. Most deaths are in old cars. A vast majority of it. Who drives old cars, mostly? Young people.

            In the news papers you’ll see headlines quoting increased deaths, quoted by number, not percentage. Why is this wrong? Just imagining Norwegian death statistics to US statistics in numbers. This is unfair. Why? Because the incredible difference in population. The police and traffic organisation doesn’t take in account the increased cars, drivers, driven km and increase in controls. Why mention controls? Because they quote an increase of people being stopped. Which is a given if you increase controls (controls = radar/laser). So what you actually end up with is a decrease in relation to the number of drivers and increased controls.

            So they either lack basic math skills, or they want to play the numbers to get more funding (they always nag about this, while closing rape cases, saying they lack the resources, which they use on stupid things that don’t matter much). They will laser people on the highway, going a little over and calling it crazy driving.

            It’s not objective and it’s not accurate. They play tweak statistics, creating misleading quotes (lies). The numbers are available. I’m probably one of the few that sit for hours calculating statistics, and digging up old numbers.

            This is why I’m frustrated about this. People are running around creating hysteria about things that only serve to take away focus from the things that actually matter – things that can actually make a difference. And nobody is interested in actual facts and analysing. Even the police is unable to quote facts, they often go about contradicting science and scientific consensus. It’s not politically correct to call them out on it. It’s very politically correct over here, and you are assumed a criminal idiot if you even try to argue a reasonable point. It doesn’t matter if you want the same thing, safe traffic.

            I know very well how it is here, and I can only assume it’s similar over there, sometimes worse. Police are just normal people. There are many police officers doing the stupidest things in traffic all the time, generally not getting the same punishment for it. Like, driving on summer tires in snow and ice? And ending up crashing the police car where there could be kids? Yeah… Police station issue an apology… They way people perceive reality is not that accurate, and it’s not normal to sit and ponder about these things and inspect reality by facts and numbers.

  • Tumbi Mtika

    This guy should be Auto-banned.

  • xDRAN0x

    das newbie

  • Jason Miller

    This is precisely why I have a dash cam in my car. Cost me $136 all-in and worth every penny. A lot of stupid people out there.

  • Bash

    crazy driver…

    • Hinu

      Unaware and unattentive driver*

      • Bash

        crazy and reckless..

        • Hinu

          You aren’t using that word right, though… I suspect you don’t understand well what happened.

          What happened was that the driver did not look ahead and didn’t realize the traffic was slowing down. He was getting into the lane to the right, and you can clearly see this looking at the driver inputs. He blinked, steered slightly to the left, into the next lane, with a course following the grey car. Then suddenly you see him slamming the brakes and sharply steer away (into the far left lane). He does this to avoid crashing into the grey car. It’s not that he is crazy and is trying to maneuver into the far left lane, it’s an emergency maneuver because of his stupid driving, not paying attention to the traffic ahead of him…

          • Bash

            he avoided the gray car to crash to another because of his stupid driving… .
            that’s crazy to me thank you very much.

          • Hinu

            Geez… You give no attention to the words you are using…

            It’s stupid driving yeah, but has nothing to do with crazy.

            crazy
            1.
            mad, especially as manifested in wild or aggressive behaviour.

            2.
            extremely enthusiastic.

            Crashing into the car to the side was not his intention, he was caught off guard. You are describing it as if he consciously crashed into a different car.

            The problem was him not paying attention to the traffic slowing. The crash was just a result of him reacting too late, to the point where there was no way out. It’s a last resort maneuver he does, and I’ll bet a thousand bucks he didn’t even know there was a car to the side of him, nor did that cross his mind.

            He didn’t really have time to think it through, because of the poor interaction to the traffic around him that cause him to get in the situation in the first place. You don’t show a great understanding of what happened really and what caused the crash.

            I agree it’s stupid driving, but you get it wrong.

          • Bash

            Well, to be honest I truly respect you taking all the time and effort and all to work with me here,… but from the (dashcam car driver point of view), the guy in the GTI was weaving and swifting right and left ever since and from the very beginning!, of course it was un intended crash, but he and anyone should know better that sooner or later chances are that he is going to hit someone or hurt himself or another,, and because he chosen to ignore that simple fact, he is guilty with stupid driving hence reckless driving, hence idiot at that time, hence yeah (you’ve guessed it) crazy..

          • Hinu

            Yeah, but you gotta look at the context. Switching lanes is no problem as long as you do it in a responsible way. He was seemingly doing that until the last lane switch. There was no problem until the last lane switch.

            What went wrong the last lane switch was that he allowed the gap to the next car to shrink too much, he did not look ahead to see how the traffic flow was changing – and as a result of that didn’t manage to adapt to it. Not only did he not see the traffic changing, but he realized he got too close to the vehicle in front of him too late – in turn making it impossible for him to brake adequately, to avoid hitting the grey car.

            Simply put, the lack of proper attention and overlook of the traffic picture put him in a situation he was not prepared for. It doesn’t really have anything to do with lane switching, because lane swithing is not the root of the problem.

            Lets compare this to people passing other people. That’s fine, as long as you do it properly. Now, if someone does it in a turn, without being able to see if someone is coming from around the bend – that is obviously not a good way to do it. Is that to say the problem is in passing other drivers? Or is it more about doing it wrong? Obviously, if I can see several hundred meters in front of me, and there’s nobody to see, I can easily pass the car in front of me in a safe manner.

            By saying people shouldn’t pass other people you are shifting the focus away from the real problem – the problem of people not taking the right precautions and judgements when driving. And people won’t listen to you, because frankly, there is no problem with passing people on the highway if you do it in a safe manner.

            People wrongly assume that switching lane is the same as doing it recklessly – just as with the passing example, there’s a night and day difference. As long as you look around you and pay attention to the surroundings, give signs (blinking), check blind spots and know the gap is large enough including margins – you are golden and it is of no danger to others. These steps were not followed here, and is the reason people get in these situations. It doesn’t really matter what speed you are doing or where you are driving, if you don’t follow the important steps to responsible driving, you are in danger of creating dangerous situations.

            You wrongly assume he has acknowledged something and proceeded to ignore it. You have no good reasoning to this. And as I said, switching lane is no problem as long as you do it properly, and only when it’s actually safe to do so. Nobody jumps into a lane knowing they will most likely crash, assuming that is silly – but a farly normal “everyday thing” to say. It’s one of the assumptions people do without really analyzing it. One of the things people just say, because it’s a thing that people say. Most people aren’t interested in pondering about things for long periods of time, and most people aren’t interested in deep philosophical subjects (which traffic safety in relation to drivers actually is).

            Crazy is a wrong word to use, because it was not out of extreme, aggressive or wild behaveour that got him in that situation. It was because of lack of attention and awareness that put him in a situation he did not account for. It’s much rather dullness than being crazy that led him into the situation. The root of it all was that he didn’t realize what happened in front of him. By looking at his driving, his guard is down and he’s assuming flow of traffic and reacting incredibly slow. Sloth driving if you want.

            On the other hand, if he were to take chances, trying to fit into small gaps, and swerving all over the place – then that would be crazy behaveour. Which was seemingly not at all his intention, and frankly not what he was doing.

            There are clips of people actually racing through traffic or driving between cars, drifting in streets. THAT, is crazy driving – mostly because the intention changes the context. People doing this are sometimes to a greater extent aware of the traffic around them, but they are reducing the margins and taking chances, e.g. to overcome a challenge. Here the word, crazy, would be accurate to use.

            So, by being unaware of something is not the same as being crazy, even though it can create a crazy situation, thought, you still wouldn’t use the word very well (and by no means say anything significant). I realize people are being casual about the language when saying this, but there’s no significance to it. That’s what I wanted to provide, some significant analysis. There’s not enough of that in the world. People say so much insignificant stuff without even thinking about what they are saying.

            Bottom line: You can easily see when someone do lane switching appropriately, and when they are not – if you analyze what is going on and have a good ability to put yourself in different perspectives. It’s important in these situations to identify the causes, the consequences, the root of the problem etc. People are very often stating consequences as the source of the problem. People also look very simply at driving and what actually cause incidents. Blaming everything on speed is a classic, which is not at all a good way of identifying behaveour correlating with dangerous situations accuring in traffic.

            As someone who have a deep understanding of driving, I could take you for a spin in high speeds on a test course, while explaining exactly where the limits are. I could tell you exactly where I’d end up if I were to slam the brakes, with centimeters of tollerance. While this is not the only thing that is important to have knowledge about when it comes to driving, it does help a lot. Because understanding the limits, make you understand what distance you need to keep to others, what speed you need to have to be able to brake for the unforeseen. It’s easy with some practice. It becomes second nature with enough practice. Drivers never learn this, despite doing very many different things on the road. Not only in relation to speed, but in relation to judging what happens next. That’s what you are doing, “looking into the future”.

            That’s what driving is about, predicting events and predicting potential events. People have to learn this way of thinking, and often times they aren’t taught it. Often times they are taught arbitrary references to driving, which doesn’t help them very much. Arbitrary is a root to problems, because it cause people to make the wrong judgements, because they don’t have any concrete references to relate to.

          • Bash
          • Hinu

            What makes you think I’m not chill?

            Seriously. I suggest you read it again without the aggressive tone in your head. I’m completely centered and happy while writing this, I’m not angry or “not chill”.

            Don’t just assume I’m not chill just because I don’t use an abundance of smileys and reassurances about my mood and “tone of speech”.

            You should care more about the words being used, not changing your interpretion and perception based on presumed one of speech or mood or whatever you are imagining.

            Actually, I’m chilling to music while writing this. And occationally taking a sip of nutrients.

          • D3X

            Stop justifying the legitimacy of Lane weaving!
            By aggressively lane weaving, you’re taking less precautions of your surroundings by speeding up, reducing your awareness and disregarding the traffic flow, you’re reducing the braking distance between you and the traffic in-front of you as you constantly approach traffic, creating situations which requre quick reactions, decrease your own vision(and more blindspots), and you also maneuver in other driver’s blindspots, overtaking them suddenly that can frighten other drivers. By speeding and doing all of the above, the significantly reducing awareness and your ability to predict, you cannot predict what other drivers will do.

            “What happened was that the driver did not look ahead and didn’t realize the traffic was slowing down.” This is a by-product of his own doing and putting himself into that situation, by driving too fast and changing lanes that quickly on wet conditions with plenty of traffic (This is a main artery road in the GTA, one of the busiest highways). If this was done on a sunny day with a lot less cars on the road, then we won’t be having this conversation.

            Being ‘AWARE’ of your surroundings is taking precautions and using a law abiding safe approach to driving.

            Take a course in defensive driving!

          • Hinu

            No, because changing lanes properly is not in any way dangerous.

            You see what you are doing that? First you tell me to stop justifying the legitimacy of lane weaving, just to start your sentence by explaining aggressive lane weaving… You’re making assumptions, and aren’t listening to what is being said.

            No, you aren’t necessarily doing that. You don’t have to do it aggressive. You don’t need to do everything aggressively. You are making that exact assumption, based on thin air.

            By being an idiot and taking slots you shouldn’t, then yes, you are increasing brake lenght. But I’m not talking about being an idiot. I’m talking about keeping within the appropriate limits and margins that enable to brake for anything in front of you, including the unforeseen. Are you even reading anything?

            No, it’s not. It’s a result of bad habits or principles of his driving. He did put himself in that situation, but not because of the lane switching. The same would happen in sunny weather. He created the incident because of his terrible attention and overview of the traffic.

            Being aware of your surroundings is enabling you to take appropriate decisions. The law doesn’t necessarily define what is safe. You’re ignorant to make that assumption, and clearly don’t understand how this works.

          • D3X

            Just because you type a wall of words, doesn’t make you right. You’re completely wrong, and the more you flood this thread you sound like a narcissist jerk!

            We’re discussing this video, and based on the video:
            1. He was not changing lanes properly; not signalling, not keeping a good distance, not matching the lane speed.
            2. This Golf GTI driver was speeding above traffic flow at least 10-20mph
            3. Explain why frequent lane changing would be necessary and why that would be safe.
            4. Lane weaving to this degree is reckless driving. It is aggressive, look up the term! It’s not the common lane change.
            5. How do you anticipate the unforeseen? That makes zero sense. The best way to drive safe is to keep a safe distance and follow the flow of the traffic based on the weather conditions.
            6. The law does define what is safe! Police will pull over this driver and ticket them for Reckless Driving above other charges.

          • Hinu

            I never said walls of text equals true. I value the actual words and reasoning done, rather than the amount of words used… I fear, though, that creating a wall of text makes people scim through it, which defeats the whole purpose of this. I am reading everyone’s comments closely, which I have to, to write something meaningful.

            I’m not wrong and if you think I sound like a narcissist jerk, that’s your opinion. And an armchair analysis.

            I’m mostly just interested in getting on point, right away, and be clear. I write so much through a day, that I don’t take time for things I consider unecessary. What I am writing now, I think is an unecessary discussion. Please avoid it. I don’t care for it. If you think I am a psycho killer, I don’t care. I care about words, and their meaning, in regards to the subject in question.

            We are discussing the video, and other discussions have come up in addition that. I’m not limited to only discuss the video explicitly. I may bring in examples, references or reply to people’s comments going outside the direct topic. I may adress certain principles to aid in getting points across and make my message clearer. But okay.

            1. He used the blinker both times. The first lane switch was adequately done. The second one was not.

            2. Yes he was. And by law that is not necessarily legal. That’s not to say it pose a danger or higher speed as a concept is a source of danger.

            3. Specify “frequent”. It depends on the situation. It depends on the traffic picture. It depends on the a lot of factors. I consider the frequency of the lane switching in the video too frequent, especially considering the traffic picture. In other situations, lane switching to pass cars doesn’t need to be an issue if done safely and sound. It’s not about whether or not lane switching is safe or not. It’s a question of when it is safe.

            4. The first lane switch was perfectly fine. The second one was in contrast to the first, absolutely idiotic. Don’t assume I defend aggressive and reckless driving.

            5. No it doesn’t. If you drive around a bend, and you can’t see around it, you should be able to brake for what you cannot see, and you should leave yourself enough margin so that you can brake if you were to accounter a stationary object in the road (crashed, parked, totalled cars, a tree or even people). Of course, to a reasonable degree. You can’t slow down to account for a supersonic train coming towards you around the bend. So, what it means, to account for the unforeseen, is being able to brake for what you cannot see. Meaning you’d have to adjust the speed, with margin, to be able to brake for what you can see. Obviously, if you can see 1000 meters ahead and to all sides you can safely drive at a higher speed. if you can only see 25 meters ahead in a bend, you need to adjust in accordance to that.

            6. The law does not define what is safe. The law puts in a generalization to account for the worst drivers, the worst cars, the worst conditions and puts in a lot of margins and precautions that in various degree is and is not relevant or significant to safety. You really need to reconsider the way you see this law. It’s only a set of rules, limitations, margins, precautions and generalizations. Driving a certain speed a certain way with two different cars and drivers doesn’t necessarily pose the same risks. Objectively, some cars handle better, some drivers are better than others, some days have different conditions, and a speed limit on a lenght of road is a static limitation and doesn’t in any way account for any of these factors. It’s a fixed generalization along that lenght of road. While some turns might require you to go below the speed limits (happens often, especially on Scandinavian roads where I often have to slow down to 30 as opposed to 80, to drive safely and responsably). Other stretches might as well allow for higher speeds without posing any danger. Speed is a bad generalization to use, especially when you don’t respect the factors specific to each situation. So the laws are mostly, by objective definition, unnacurate and often wrong. Because the assumption is that if you break these rules you are automatically posing risks and danger.

            People are making too many assumptions and generalizations about driving with basis in arbitrarity rather than actual reasoning. The stupid idea of speed being a static factor to safety and the cause of every problem is ridiculous. And assuming I think people should drive as fast as they please, is a silly assumption to do. It depends on the situation, the car, the driver, the conditions and more. You put margins and precautions in place to account miscalculations, fluctuations, inability to account for everything, your skill, the car, the unforeseen etc. Meaning, driving on the limit is not appropriate. That belongs on a race track.

            My point with all this is to show that there are a different and better approach to safe driving that aren’t dominated by the arbitrary laws, but hinges instead on proper education and a push towards sensible and responsible thinking. Actual calculation, not just “keep within this law and you can relax”. Most drivers relax if they follow the rules, and focus on that instead of actually making the necessary steps to ensure active and attentive driving.

  • alexxx

    was there a bmw3GT? sooo…one person actually bought it :-))))

  • Wandering_Spirit

    The problem is not lane weaving. In a lot of countries in Europe we do it. However we check carefully and make sure there are the conditions to do it (including mirror’s dead angles). Apparently the habit of some drivers is so only think about themselves as if the road was theirs.

    • benT

      “The problem is not lane weaving.”
      It certainly isn’t colic either!

      You trying to say “we Europeans don’t do this”??
      wottaloadahorsepoo.

      • Wandering_Spirit

        Thanks for your important contribution, Ben. I am trying to say exactly you can read in the first 6 words of my post. I will retype them here for you ” In a lot of countries in Europe we do it.”. I was thinking of Italy for example. However, since it’s a common habit to do this and at much higher speeds than they do in the US, we tend to be more careful. That is, word by word, what i was trying to convey. I am sorry if your understanding is different. But as i said…your important contribution is appreciated.

        • benT

          “we check carefully and make sure there are the conditions to do it”
          If European drivers are so skilled with care and unbreakable attention why is the autonomous car necessary with original research and development centred on Europe?
          Will Britain be excluded (from the royal ‘we’) the day after or before Brexit concludes?
          Trucks and cars all across manufacturing in Europe are fitted with emergency braking, don’t hit the pedestrian/vehicle, anti-skid variations.

          ‘you can read in the first 6 words of my post. I will retype them here for you ” In a lot of countries in Europe we do it.”.’
          Those particular words are not the first six words of your piece. Your vision is playing games with you. Clear evidence that basic vision is warped.
          Wandering_spirit – wandering all over the page and the road. Which spirit are you loaded with?

          • Wandering_Spirit

            Ben, the fact that somebody decides to do research in a place rather than in another may not necessarily be dictated by the fact that all drivers in that country are unskilled. I just describe what i saw in for 40 years on the roads of a number of countries in EU (France, Greece, Germany, Italy, Spain, NOT UK) and what me and others have been doing forever in total safety. No crashes in 30 years of driving. Trucks and cars in Europe ARE NOT ALL fitted with those devices. Some are, some not. The reason is simple, not all brands offer those devices, not all drivers would want them, like not all drivers want autoshifts in Europe (Including me).
            Will Britain be excluded when Brexit happens?
            A) I don’t know in which way this is related to lane weaving
            B) Excluded from what?
            I thank you again for your important contribution to this thread. Your effort to understand the issue at hand is really appreciated.

            PS: I am in good spirits. Don’t worry. I barely drink alchool (perhaps that’s why i never crashed), don’t do drugs and don’t do shit. I just like cars, eating well and girls (That’s when i am off duty).

          • benT

            Which spirit are you loaded with?

          • Wandering_Spirit

            Only the best ones. Where i live we not only don’t weave in traffic like Americans. We don’t even drink the same cheap alcohol! :-).

      • Hinu

        No, but clearly you aren’t interesting in understanding what “Wandering_spirit” meant.

        The problem is indeed not lane weaving. The problem is that the driver didn’t look ahead and didn’t realize the traffic slowed down. In the end he was trying to “escape” into the far left lane, again without being aware of the traffic around him.

        The issue was that he did not pay attention to the traffic slowing down. You can clearly see that the car in front of him brakes seconds before he slams the brakes. The driver is also not very good at judging brake length.

        He should get better education. Drivers like this should be sent back to a driving school, and go over things like this. You teach nobody anything by giving them a ticket. Though, I doubt the driver will not do it again, as it leaves an impression. But to learn from it, it requires him to assess how he was driving, not everybody do that. It also requires you to understand what went wrong, and judging from the comments here, people are either not analysing the video, or they aren’t that good of a driver themselves.

        Some get scared after a crash and end up driving with arbitrary units of references. They make irrational decisions based on their fear of doing the same thing again, and that can be even worse. I’ve seen this. But then again, that particular driver weren’t a good driver to begin with, and knew little about how driving works.

        • Wandering_Spirit

          Exactly. It’s indeed so simple. If you know English, that is. Plus, perhaps he doesn’t know in many EU countries we speed much more and more often. This means different reacting times, different perception of surrounding environment and risks.

          • Hinu

            I am amazed of how nobody here understand what was going on. Looking at the video, it’s so simple.

            Yeah, Autobahn is an example of that. The accident statistics aren’t bad either, despite people from all around the world flocking to Autobahn for the sole reason of driving as fast as they possibly can. Everyone, including families push the throttle on this road because they know they can.

            Speed is not the issue, people not paying attention is, and people having a limited understanding of driving and traffic. And how people think that as long as you are following the speed limit everything is fine. This is also the message the police and politicians are pushing out. People aren’t really taught how to judge their driving, and adapt to the surroundings.

            It doesn’t really matter what speed you are doing, if you don’t pay attention to the traffic around you, bad things will happen. And anyone can learn to drive safely. To say it simply, not being an idiot is the best way to drive safe. And knowing how to not be an idiot, is not taught that well, because they focus too much on other things and arbitrary references.

  • dumblikeyou2

    I suspect if he were driving the manual version, there would have been enough pause there for him to have avoided darting in like that. For common people cars, GTI’s, especially with the DSG are pretty darned high strung and sharp. It’s easy to be an ass in one; the beg you to act like one.

    • Hinu

      I don’t really see how that would’ve made any difference…

      The driver was unable to stop for the car in front of him, and tried to evade crashing by steer into the far left lane (not knowing a car was coming). The problem is the driver didn’t realize the traffic slowed down and wasn’t aware of the traffic around him. It has nothing to do with lane weaving. The last lane weave was caused by the actual mistake he did (failing to adapt to the traffic slowing down).

      Carscoops: Again… What is this…?

  • Hinu

    Lane weaving is not the issue here (what a stupid title)… -_-

    The idiot didn’t look ahead and failed to realize the traffic ahead of him/her slowed down. The speed itself was fine as long as there was traffic flow, but clearly, the traffic slowed down, and so should he (or her…).

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